[NSRCA-discussion] PowerPoint Presentations

[george w. kennie]

Can you complete a true 3 second slow roll and still give me a 50 foot 
straight and level entry line b/4 the pull into the Pyramid ???? I still 
have strong feelings that a slow roll is in a class of maneuvers that are 
requirement-specific to the elemental requirement demanded by the sequence 
at the specified time and should not be a pilot's option to be employed on a 
whim. The book refers to rolls as having elements that are "crisp", and 
there is little in a slow roll that displays "crisp". I remember Henderson 
doing a triangle loop with a roll across the top and he was using a slow 
roll that was not specified in the maneuver description and I objected to 
the practice on the basis that the element was not specified and it also was 
a cheat to make it difficult for the judges to determine if the pilot knew 
where the correct centering of the roll in the straight line across the top 
needed to be executed.
Of course, as always, I could be all wet, but that's my view.
G.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
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>A slow roll is acceptable.
>
> DR
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at charter.net>
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>> Concerning the Master schedule 1/2 loop with full roll out.  Is a slow
>> roll
>> acceptable on the full roll out or must it be a fast axial roll ??
>> Ed M.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
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>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> 404-2:    The stall turn must be in the direction of flight.
>>> 404-7:    The humpty is defined as 1/4 roll up and 3/4 roll down. 
>>> That's
>>> 3/4 down and not 3 of 4.
>>> 404-12:  Slow roll should be a minimum of 3 seconds
>>> 404-18:  AMA rule on snaps is on page 78 of the rulebook.  You can get 
>>> to
>>> the rulebook through the judging site where the Powerpoint presentations
>>> are
>>> found.  But in a nutshell:
>>> 1. Since the maneuver is defined as a stall maneuver (initiated by a
>>> rapid
>>> stall of the wing induced by a change in pitch attitude), the nose of 
>>> the
>>> fuselage should show a definite break from the flight path in the
>>> direction
>>> of the snap (positive or negative) while the track closely maintains the
>>> flight path. The track visualized as the path of the Center of Gravity
>>> (CG)
>>> should ideally follow the geometric flight path of the maneuver while 
>>> the
>>> nose and tail autorotate through opposite helical arcs around the flight
>>> path. A snap  that does not show a break and stall to initiate the snap,
>>> but
>>> does enter a stalled attitude during the maneuver is severely 
>>> downgraded.
>>>
>>> So
>>> * lack of a definite break of the nose is not a zero but severe 
>>> downgrade
>>> * track of CG should ideally follow the geometry of the maneuver for max
>>> points
>>> Other Points:
>>> * Barrel roll or axial roll is a zero
>>> * Speed of snap is not a judging criteria
>>> * Airspeed may decrease in the snap with no downgrade
>>> * If model is roll to a finish the downgrade is applied using 1 pt per 
>>> 15
>>> degree rule.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
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>>> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 10:29 AM
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>>>
>>>
>>>> Good stuff, Don.  These are very helpful for learning a schedule that
>>>> you don't fly.
>>>>
>>>> I have a few questions about judging Masters that I recommend should be
>>>> answered on the presentation.
>>>>
>>>> 404-2:  Does the stall turn itself have to rotate in the upwind
>>>> direction?
>>>> 404-7:  There seems to be an option here, but 2of2 has the same name as
>>>> 1of2, though the Arrestis are different.
>>>> 404-12:  What is the rule book definition of 'slow?'
>>>> 404-18:  The rulebook definition/description of a snap?
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>> Don Ramsey wrote:
>>>>> For those who may be judging Advanced, Masters, P-07 and especially
>>>>> F3A wednesday judges for F-07 there are PowerPoint presentations on
>>>>> the NSRCA judging page
>>>>> http://www.nsrca.org/competition/judging/judging.htm.  Look for the
>>>>> link near the bottom of the Judging Home Page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
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