[NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern Longitevity

Sat Feb 25 14:01:24 AKST 2006

Good post!

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of jguinn
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern Longitevity

Pattern needs a big overhaul !!!!! All the soso B/S and the HI-TEC talk
runs 
off 99 out of 100 new comers. There is a lot of cheap planes out there
that 
will fly pattern all are wood and will do the job just find. I get tried
of 
hearing about all the HI-TEC myself but i just turn it off but a
newcomer 
want they just don't come back. So we run off most of them with our
talk. We 
need help them and leave the talk off if they ask then tell them.
James Guinn
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From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern Longitevity

> Ryan, there are people out there interested in pattern flying, if we
just
> connect. We recently had a pattern primer in SC and over 30 people 
> showed -
> on a bad flying day! And yes, K-Factor is an insider's mag and does 
> nothing
> to attract new people.
>
> I agree with your comments on the availability of woodies, however,
not
> everyone has the talent and the time to build, or even want to build.
This
> is especially true of some of the younger flyers that we need to
attract 
> to
> keep the sport going. "I bought a set from him a while back and
haven't 
> had
> the chance to build one, but I really would like to" is a good
example. 
> Even
> some of us who don't have full time jobs and families still don't have
the
> time (or patience) required. I don't suggest that we replace the 2M 
> formula,
> just supplement it with an easier entry fun format.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ryan
Smith
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:52 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Was Mini Brio, Now Pattern Longitevity
>
> I honestly don't think that you have to spend out the butt to have a
> competitive setup. The keeping up with the Joneses syndrome is the 
> prevalent
> factor that makes everyone think that pattern is so ungodly expensive.

> There
> are plenty of options out there for people to create a cost-effective,
> competitive two meter rig. But alas, people out there think they HAVE
to
> have the biggest best and fastest everything, when in reality, there
is no
> way in hell most newer fliers out there can discern between a slightly
> inferior and cheaper product and a top of the line product (a big
example
> here would be digital servos as opposed to analog servos). There are
> certainly MANY viable options out there for a cheap two meter setup
that
> will be competitive in the long run. The best example I can see of
this is
> Mark Hunt, down in the Houston area. His airplane, the Insight, is all

> wood
> and foam, and can be built with maybe $150 worth of wood (I'm throwing
a
> generous estimate out there), not to mention the plans are like $25.
He is
> actually running an OS 1.60 on a standard muffler and is still making
the
> noise restrictions. Mark exemplifies what people just starting out in
> pattern need to look into, not only because it's cheap, but the
airplanes
> are simple to maintain and I would venture to say bulletproof.  I
bought a
> set from him a while back and haven't had the chance to build one, but
I
> really would like to. I would like to do what he's doing and and
outfit it
> with analog servos and make it otherwise plain jane and see just how
it
> stacks up to the rest of the field out there. There are also several
other
> wood airplanes out there that are a little more extravagant, such as
the
> Black Magic v2 by Mike Hester and the Quest and Shindin by Bryan
Herbert
> that are being drawn in CAD and being kitted. Look at the airplanes
that 
> the
> Japanese team members fly- they're all wood. And look at where they
place.
> Most if not all are always in the top ten, and young Tetsuo Onda even 
> placed
> second this year. That's a heck of a feat for anyone, mu
>
> ch less an eighteen year old who is flying against people who have
been
> modeling twice as long as he's been living.
>
>            Another point, the theory of everyone flying the same thing
has
> never worked, not in fullscale and not in models. The One Design class

> never
> caught on in full scale, however there are many examples of that
airplane
> flying. In IMAC, there are worries about everyone using consistent
> batteries, motors, servos, and such, and if you have to be dictated
that
> much on what you can and cannot fly, it takes the fun out. Also, in
IMAC, 
> it
> is commonplace to see high end airplanes in Basic and Sportsman just 
> because
> people want to get that advantage that they really get through burning

> fuel.
> I know everyone hates to hear that, but it is the truth. Once you
start to
> see improvements in your own flying after having flown a lot, then you
see
> what everyone preaches about when they say fly a bunch. I really don't

> think
> that pattern dying is really directly related to cost, but if you want
to
> make it such let's break down Jay's idea. How cost effective is it to
make
> someone buy something that they can't use in upper classes and would
have 
> to
> buy a new setup every year. Shouldn't we be showing people that they
can 
> go
> and get a nice setup that they can actually use and enjoy? Not to
mention
> the fact that you can reuse the equipment should you decide (or your 
> thumbs
> decide) to get a new airframe. I think the cost factor is implemented
by
> people who don't really have the desire to succeed and have to use
that as 
> a
> scapegoat to cover what they see as their failures.
>
>            I honestly think pattern needs an overhaul. It's not the
cost
> that really drives people away, it's the ideology surrounding it that 
> does.
> People see pattern as being boring and too easy, and generally not 
> exciting.
> However, with the advent 3D flight, and people becoming attracted to
model
> airplanes because of it, they really want to hone their skills. I have

> seen
> a lot of subtle hints dropped by some past pattern flyers who write
for
> magazines telling people to look into pattern if they really want to 
> become
> better at 3D. I also think that we need more promotion. Model Aviation
has
> cut down the pattern column in the magazine to every other month, yet 
> there
> are other facets in there that get full coverage that really don't
need 
> it.
> If we want pattern to survive, we really need to get publicized where
it
> counts- where we're going to be attracting people. Advertising in the
K
> Factor does nothing for the growth of pattern because we're all
already
> interested enough in it to subscribe. But there are people out there
who
> don't know and maybe would like to. I can't tell you how many times on
RCU
> I've seen someone post in the Pattern Forum "What is Pattern Flying?".

> Most
> are usually creative in what they think it is, but nevertheless, the
same
> group sets them straight. I think we should get on the AMA to get us
more
> coverage and other magazines as well, such as Model Airplane News, 3D 
> Flyer,
> etc. I believe THAT is what will help us, not making people buy some 
> little
> electric that they won't be competitive with.
>
>            Thanks for taking the time to read this guys, please feel
free
> to respond.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Ryan Smith
>
>
>
>
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