[NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
Grow Pattern
pattern4u at comcast.net
Sat Feb 18 13:31:27 AKST 2006
As a general comment, I wanted to say that it's refreshing to see the
electric leaders amongst us coming forward with real numbers on how many
"pictures-of-presidents" they had been laying out.
Those of you who are spending your own money to compete do us all a favor by
both finding out what it really costs and then sharing the information the
way you have done.
A must hastily add that I don' think that sponsored or semi-sponsored pilots
don't share. It is just that they are not counting or remembering the
"pattern-pennies-paid" the way we do.
Good leading-edge data folks.
Regards,
Eric.
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From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
To: <patternrules at earthlink.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
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Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
> Steve
> What 55a power supply is availiable for $122 ?
> Thanks Nat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Maxwell" <patternrules at earthlink.net>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>
>
>> Everyone is in a different situation, for me one electric plane is fine
>> as
>> I have very few problems flying or going to contest, well ok my flying
>> isn't the best LOL. For me my set up is as follows.
>> Panacea fuse Smaragd wing and stab that was going to be Glow powered
>> never
>> completed but was ready for paint, so cut out firewall and floor that was
>> for the pipe tunnel, but only parts that was needed for airflow.
>> Used Hacker C50-14XL $350
>> Jeti 90 controller with programmer on sale $176
>> TP 1010 charger found one that someone didn't need $179
>> TP 210v Balancer
>> $99
>> Watts up meter
>> $49
>> Power supply 55amp
>> $122
>> Batteries found someone with extra 10s X 2 TP 5300 $1000
>> 22X12 e props X2
>> $37
>> Dubro alumium prop nut for more cooling $8
>>
>> Tota
>> l $2020
>> Would this work for everyone definantly not, will it work for me hope so,
>> also hope packs will last 2 years, time will only tell how this and
>> others
>> will work out. Plan on buying another charger and balancer in the future
>> if
>> needed, and glow for backup.
>> Steve Maxwell
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Michael Laggis <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: 2/17/2006 8:07:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>>
>>> 2 x motors add another $455
>>> 2 x speed controllers add another $210
>>> 4 x battery packs add another $1200
>>> -1 Deep cycle battery -$100
>>>
>>> Total additional $1765
>>> Previous total $3960
>>>
>>> Electric setup $5725
>>>
>>>
>>> Glow setup
>>>
>>> Abbra $1300
>>> My motors/servos/odds and ends $0
>>> Years Fuel $300
>>>
>>> Glow Setup $1600
>>>
>>> Because of the short flying season here I would want backup motors/speed
>>> controllers. I have backup for my glow.
>>> Granted, here in Alaska I have 2 contests. Would love to make it
>>> contests
>>> in the lower 48 but the time and cost is too much.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of David
>>> Lockhart
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:18 PM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>>
>>> As has been noted, I plan to make the jump to electric in 2006 - I'd
>>> offer
>>> the following costs -
>>>
>>> $1,300.00 - Abbra (www.EScomposites.com).
>>> $455.00 - Pletty 30-10 (www.Icare-rc.com).
>>> $210.00 - Castle Creations Phoenix 85HV (www.CastleCreations.com).
>>> $1,200.00 - 2xTP10s4p 5300 (www.Draganfly.com - best prices I've seen).
>>> $35.00 - Budd softmount (www.BuddEngineering.com) $250.00 - 2xAstro 109
>> lipo
>>> chargers (available many places).
>>> $100.00 - 1 12volt deep cycle marine battery for field charging.
>>> $150.00 - Iota DLS55 power supply (55 amp) - available many places, use
>> for
>>> home PS and recharge of 12 volt field battery.
>>>
>>> $3,690.00 Total.
>>>
>>> The above is absolutely competive in F3A and all of it is reasonably
>>> easy
>> to
>>> get. You could spend more/less on any of the above items, but as
>>> listed,
>>> depending on the number of flights, the cost is certainly comparable to
>>> a
>>> decked out DZ setup w/ softmount, header, CF pipe, etc, and the support
>>> equipment and fuel to go with it. If you want to fly back to back,
>>> you'll
>>> need 2 more chargers ($250.00) and 2 more sets ($1,200.00) of lipos, but
>>> what is listed should be good for at least 200-300 flights - at which
>> point
>>> all that might be needed is new lipos (which continue to drop in price
>>> and
>>> improve in performance). Compare that to servo repairs, airframe
>> vibration
>>> repairs, umpteen gallons of 30%DZ fuel, the engine in the plane, the
>> engine
>>> being repaired, and the engine in transit to/from the repair shop,
>>> ....etc....and make your choice. And the price could be reduced using
>>> an
>>> AXI (definite weight penalty) or one of the soon to be available Hacker
>>> outrunners (also a weight penalty) which are in the $250.00 range. For
>>> Sportsman, Intermediate, and Advanced, the TP 4200s have plenty of
>> capacity
>>> and power, and would save another $160.00.
>>>
>>> FWIW - I will be changing to electric because the perception is that the
>>> electric is better, and I will have more options for practice fields.
>> Kind
>>> of amusing on both counts - as my Webra setup is substantially stronger
>>> (appearance-wise and by the numbers) and the noise levels of my glow and
>>> electric setups are within 1db.
>>>
>>> For the record, I've happily purchased products from all the companies I
>>> noted, some of which are current sponsors (and I've done beta testing
>> for) -
>>> - Castle Creations for ESCs.
>>> - Budd Engineering for mounts.
>>> - Horizon help with TP lipos (as they carry TP and I am part of Team JR
>>> through Horizon).
>>>
>>> I did a lot of reading, and contacted a lot of people for information.
>>> To
>>> date, I'm quite happy with the Pletty/CC/TP setup in the Abbra and I've
>> only
>>> had a few minor issues which were easily remedied for little or no cost.
>> I
>>> plan to bump up the power output when the weather is warmer (lipos don't
>>> like the cold) and try some other motors (Cyclon and Hacker) in addition
>> to
>>> the Pletty. And I can't wait to get the pair of Prestige planes in the
>> air
>>> as they will be 3-5 oz lighter, putting them under the 10 lb mark at
>> takeoff
>>> (compared to my Webra powered Vivats which are 9.75 lb dry and 10 lbs 8
>>> oz
>>> at takeoff).
>>>
>>> A long time ago, it was posted on this list that electrics were not for
>>> everyone and probably never would be - still sage advice today - eh Mr.
>>> Shulman?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dave Lockhart
>>> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>>
>>>
>>> > I have been flying indoor electrics for 6 years. I have been flying
>>> LiPolys
>>> > long before they were truly commercially available. We bought
>>> > individual cells and made our own packs. I have packs that have 100+
>>> > cycles easy. I understand the benefits of electrics. I personally
>>> > can't make the initial jump into electrics
>>> >
>>> > 4 packs $2960
>>> > 2 chargers $400
>>> > Power Supplies $200
>>> > New Air Frame $2500
>>> > 2 Motors ?????
>>> > 2 Speed Controllers ?????
>>> >
>>> > Total Approx $7000?
>>> >
>>> > I know that with the amount I can fly all in a summer the equipment
>>> > would probably last me years. It is just the initial dump of $7000
>>> > that I can't lay out
>>> >
>>> > Michael Laggis
>>> > NSRCA 3618
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>>> Lachowski
>>> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:33 PM
>>> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>> >
>>> > I'll throw something else in the mix which you can't put a price on.
>>> > Loss
>>> of
>>> > hearing due to exposure time to noise generated from internal
>>> > combustion motors and the risk of cancer associated with the exposure
>>> > to the fuel
>>> which
>>> > we come in contact with.
>>> >
>>> > Of course on the electric side, you have risk of fire.
>>> >
>>> > Let's throw in one more benefit in the electric direction, a big one,
>>> > keeping flying sites. Not to start a war here, but I've heard of a
>>> > number
>>> of
>>> > fields over the last 5 yrs being lost or restricted in one way or
>>> > another because of loud IMAC style airplanes. Ask Dave Lockhart,
>>> > because of some IMAC planes he has had to by necessity to resort to
>>> > flying electric in
>>> order
>>> > to take advantage of using a field local to him in the weekday evening
>>> > hours.
>>> >
>>> > Del, glow fuel manufacturers don't guarantee their fuel why should the
>>> > battery mfg. Like the glow setup it is all up to the individual to
>>> > operate/maintain his equipment within the parameters they are designed
>>> > to operate. I've read enough on the web and magazines to now feel
>>> > confident that in most cases if you properly use and maintain your
>>> > electric
>>> equipment
>>> > you should be able to get several hundred flights out of a pack.
>>> > Unfortunately, in our application we are on the bleeding edge and the
>>> > jury is still out. There are some who have over a hundred flights on a
>>> > flight pack already. Only time will tell and the technology still
>>> > keeps
>>> improving.
>>> > On the downside, for some, if you don't fly several hundred flights a
>>> > year on your pattern rig, it is not worth it to fly electric due to
>>> > battery
>>> shelf
>>> > life.
>>> >
>>> > yada yada yada<g>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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