[NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
Nat Penton
natpenton at centurytel.net
Sat Feb 18 08:38:30 AKST 2006
Steve
What 55a power supply is availiable for $122 ?
Thanks Nat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Maxwell" <patternrules at earthlink.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
> Everyone is in a different situation, for me one electric plane is fine as
> I have very few problems flying or going to contest, well ok my flying
> isn't the best LOL. For me my set up is as follows.
> Panacea fuse Smaragd wing and stab that was going to be Glow powered never
> completed but was ready for paint, so cut out firewall and floor that was
> for the pipe tunnel, but only parts that was needed for airflow.
> Used Hacker C50-14XL $350
> Jeti 90 controller with programmer on sale $176
> TP 1010 charger found one that someone didn't need $179
> TP 210v Balancer
> $99
> Watts up meter
> $49
> Power supply 55amp
> $122
> Batteries found someone with extra 10s X 2 TP 5300 $1000
> 22X12 e props X2
> $37
> Dubro alumium prop nut for more cooling $8
>
> Tota
> l $2020
> Would this work for everyone definantly not, will it work for me hope so,
> also hope packs will last 2 years, time will only tell how this and others
> will work out. Plan on buying another charger and balancer in the future
> if
> needed, and glow for backup.
> Steve Maxwell
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Michael Laggis <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: 2/17/2006 8:07:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>
>> 2 x motors add another $455
>> 2 x speed controllers add another $210
>> 4 x battery packs add another $1200
>> -1 Deep cycle battery -$100
>>
>> Total additional $1765
>> Previous total $3960
>>
>> Electric setup $5725
>>
>>
>> Glow setup
>>
>> Abbra $1300
>> My motors/servos/odds and ends $0
>> Years Fuel $300
>>
>> Glow Setup $1600
>>
>> Because of the short flying season here I would want backup motors/speed
>> controllers. I have backup for my glow.
>> Granted, here in Alaska I have 2 contests. Would love to make it
>> contests
>> in the lower 48 but the time and cost is too much.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of David
>> Lockhart
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:18 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>
>> As has been noted, I plan to make the jump to electric in 2006 - I'd
>> offer
>> the following costs -
>>
>> $1,300.00 - Abbra (www.EScomposites.com).
>> $455.00 - Pletty 30-10 (www.Icare-rc.com).
>> $210.00 - Castle Creations Phoenix 85HV (www.CastleCreations.com).
>> $1,200.00 - 2xTP10s4p 5300 (www.Draganfly.com - best prices I've seen).
>> $35.00 - Budd softmount (www.BuddEngineering.com) $250.00 - 2xAstro 109
> lipo
>> chargers (available many places).
>> $100.00 - 1 12volt deep cycle marine battery for field charging.
>> $150.00 - Iota DLS55 power supply (55 amp) - available many places, use
> for
>> home PS and recharge of 12 volt field battery.
>>
>> $3,690.00 Total.
>>
>> The above is absolutely competive in F3A and all of it is reasonably easy
> to
>> get. You could spend more/less on any of the above items, but as listed,
>> depending on the number of flights, the cost is certainly comparable to a
>> decked out DZ setup w/ softmount, header, CF pipe, etc, and the support
>> equipment and fuel to go with it. If you want to fly back to back,
>> you'll
>> need 2 more chargers ($250.00) and 2 more sets ($1,200.00) of lipos, but
>> what is listed should be good for at least 200-300 flights - at which
> point
>> all that might be needed is new lipos (which continue to drop in price
>> and
>> improve in performance). Compare that to servo repairs, airframe
> vibration
>> repairs, umpteen gallons of 30%DZ fuel, the engine in the plane, the
> engine
>> being repaired, and the engine in transit to/from the repair shop,
>> ....etc....and make your choice. And the price could be reduced using an
>> AXI (definite weight penalty) or one of the soon to be available Hacker
>> outrunners (also a weight penalty) which are in the $250.00 range. For
>> Sportsman, Intermediate, and Advanced, the TP 4200s have plenty of
> capacity
>> and power, and would save another $160.00.
>>
>> FWIW - I will be changing to electric because the perception is that the
>> electric is better, and I will have more options for practice fields.
> Kind
>> of amusing on both counts - as my Webra setup is substantially stronger
>> (appearance-wise and by the numbers) and the noise levels of my glow and
>> electric setups are within 1db.
>>
>> For the record, I've happily purchased products from all the companies I
>> noted, some of which are current sponsors (and I've done beta testing
> for) -
>> - Castle Creations for ESCs.
>> - Budd Engineering for mounts.
>> - Horizon help with TP lipos (as they carry TP and I am part of Team JR
>> through Horizon).
>>
>> I did a lot of reading, and contacted a lot of people for information.
>> To
>> date, I'm quite happy with the Pletty/CC/TP setup in the Abbra and I've
> only
>> had a few minor issues which were easily remedied for little or no cost.
> I
>> plan to bump up the power output when the weather is warmer (lipos don't
>> like the cold) and try some other motors (Cyclon and Hacker) in addition
> to
>> the Pletty. And I can't wait to get the pair of Prestige planes in the
> air
>> as they will be 3-5 oz lighter, putting them under the 10 lb mark at
> takeoff
>> (compared to my Webra powered Vivats which are 9.75 lb dry and 10 lbs 8
>> oz
>> at takeoff).
>>
>> A long time ago, it was posted on this list that electrics were not for
>> everyone and probably never would be - still sage advice today - eh Mr.
>> Shulman?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Lockhart
>> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>>
>>
>> > I have been flying indoor electrics for 6 years. I have been flying
>> LiPolys
>> > long before they were truly commercially available. We bought
>> > individual cells and made our own packs. I have packs that have 100+
>> > cycles easy. I understand the benefits of electrics. I personally
>> > can't make the initial jump into electrics
>> >
>> > 4 packs $2960
>> > 2 chargers $400
>> > Power Supplies $200
>> > New Air Frame $2500
>> > 2 Motors ?????
>> > 2 Speed Controllers ?????
>> >
>> > Total Approx $7000?
>> >
>> > I know that with the amount I can fly all in a summer the equipment
>> > would probably last me years. It is just the initial dump of $7000
>> > that I can't lay out
>> >
>> > Michael Laggis
>> > NSRCA 3618
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe
>> Lachowski
>> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:33 PM
>> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric vs. Glow
>> >
>> > I'll throw something else in the mix which you can't put a price on.
>> > Loss
>> of
>> > hearing due to exposure time to noise generated from internal
>> > combustion motors and the risk of cancer associated with the exposure
>> > to the fuel
>> which
>> > we come in contact with.
>> >
>> > Of course on the electric side, you have risk of fire.
>> >
>> > Let's throw in one more benefit in the electric direction, a big one,
>> > keeping flying sites. Not to start a war here, but I've heard of a
>> > number
>> of
>> > fields over the last 5 yrs being lost or restricted in one way or
>> > another because of loud IMAC style airplanes. Ask Dave Lockhart,
>> > because of some IMAC planes he has had to by necessity to resort to
>> > flying electric in
>> order
>> > to take advantage of using a field local to him in the weekday evening
>> > hours.
>> >
>> > Del, glow fuel manufacturers don't guarantee their fuel why should the
>> > battery mfg. Like the glow setup it is all up to the individual to
>> > operate/maintain his equipment within the parameters they are designed
>> > to operate. I've read enough on the web and magazines to now feel
>> > confident that in most cases if you properly use and maintain your
>> > electric
>> equipment
>> > you should be able to get several hundred flights out of a pack.
>> > Unfortunately, in our application we are on the bleeding edge and the
>> > jury is still out. There are some who have over a hundred flights on a
>> > flight pack already. Only time will tell and the technology still
>> > keeps
>> improving.
>> > On the downside, for some, if you don't fly several hundred flights a
>> > year on your pattern rig, it is not worth it to fly electric due to
>> > battery
>> shelf
>> > life.
>> >
>> > yada yada yada<g>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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