[NSRCA-discussion] Cooling outrunners

AtwoodDon at aol.com AtwoodDon at aol.com
Wed Dec 20 17:00:51 AKST 2006


 
I usually balance the back plate first, then balance the pair  assembled.  I 
also index the backplate and cone so they are re-assembled  the same each time.
 
Don
 
In a message dated 12/20/2006 5:40:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
trexlesh at msn.com writes:

 
I am wondering how many balance the spinner assembly...   I've  been doing 
that for years, and I can tell you that I haven't found one  yet
that didn't need some major grinding.  I usually also index the  spinner to 
the backplate so that every time I have it off and on, it goes back  
together the same.  I always do the indexing first, putting the  heavy side 
of the spinner to the light side of the backplate.  It helps  by offsetting the 
the imbalance and eliminating a bit of grinding to get it  all in balance...  
I don't know how important it is on a fuel motor, but  I assume it could have 
a dramatic effect on the small bearings in the  outrunners....
 
Rex

----- Original Message ----- 
From: _Chad  Northeast_ (mailto:chad at f3acanada.org)  
Cc: _NSRCA Mailing List_ (mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)  
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:17  PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cooling  outrunners


Hi Dean

The bearing life on my motors has been good, I  have an old 30-10 pushing 
500 flights, and my Evo is around 250-300 I  would guestimate.

The bearing issues on the Pletty motors seems to me  to be very related 
to prop balance.  I use a small aluminum 8mm  bushing (the TT one for 
spinners actually) that fits right in the molded  part of the hub 
center.  APC drilled holes are often not properly  centered so that helps 
to ensure I am running the prop as concentric  with the motor as 
possible.  I know guys have hurt bearings on  these motors running either 
the Pletty motor in the nose (In my mind  that system has huge potential 
for imbalance) and using APC's drilled  hole without balancing the prop.

Just some of my thoughts on bearings  :)

Chad

Dean Pappas wrote:
> Hi Chad,
> Yes  everything gets better when you don't have to run at peak load very  
often.
> Hey ... that's how the best wet setups work too.
> If I  can get the motor temps down without too much fuss, I always will:
>  not just the magnets, but the bearings and gearboxes like it too.
> I  am still waiting to see what happens long term with outrunner  bearings.
>
> Why? In the CL Stunt setups, the first couple of  tries with planetary 
gearboxes were ALL abject failures.
> Gearboxes  were failing in literally a handful of flights. Stunt ships 
corner hard  (maybe 90 degrees in 1/3 second)
> and we are currently seeing  everything from ~80 flights to >300 flights 
before outrunner bearing  problems start.
>
> Back to RC and heat.
> I block 50% of  the air to the battery (one cheek inlet) with a foam rubber 
plug on
>  days under 70 F (~20 C) and at maybe 55 F (15 C) I take a piece of tape 
and  cover half of the remaining inlet.
> That allows me to keep my 5300s  up to maybe 95 ~ 100F on cool days. 
> I typically get a 40 F (20 C)  rise on warm days with everything opened up.
> I am also on the  throttle a bit more on hot days.
> The Extremes will be welcome in  that regard.
>
> later
>
> Dean Pappas
> Sr.  Design Engineer
> Kodeos Communications
> 111 Corporate  Blvd.
> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
> (908) 222-7817  phone
> (908) 222-2392 fax
> _d.pappas at kodeos.com_ (mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com) 
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: _nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) 
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Chad
>  Northeast
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:37 AM
> To:  NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cooling  outrunners
>
>
> Hi Dean
>
> Quite true about  the magnets, but I have flown with my motor at 150F and 
> on days  where it doesnt get above 65F....I can not tell the difference 
> in  performance, probably because there is such excess power in these 
>  setups to start with.
>
> Pack temperature on the other hand is  very important, OAT below 10-15C I 
> have to start restricting  cooling on the batteries or they dont get warm 
> enough to provide  good power.  The new extreme packs are better about 
> this than  the Prolites, but still very noticeable on certain days.
>
>  Chad
>
> Dean Pappas wrote:
>   
>>  Bob, you're a genius!
>> I suggested this to an E-powered CL Stunt  buddy in the Netherlands 
>> some months ago because the Stunt guys  have a long history of styling 
>> planes with chin scoops placed  far back. These often require a 3/4" 
>> long prop drive extension  to place the cylinder back farther, and the 
>> use of a short  venturi. They cowl much easier than computer carbs!
>>   
>> Hi Chad,
>> Makes you wonder what some of these guys  were thinking when they 
>> placed the cooling and cheek inlets. ??  **^^$$!!!
>> The inlet airbox can shroud the aft end of the motor  and the sleeve 
>> dump into a front exit plenumm. Now the trick is  the exit from there. 
>> I think that a big elbow like a turbopropo  exhaust would be cool, as 
>> would be cheek cowls with no entry  holes just exits. The exit plenum 
>> just behind the spinner would  have to duct into the cheeks. Notre that 
>> flying without a  spinner will wreck the cooling! A row of exhaust 
>> stacks like a  P-51 could be boxed in and used to suck the warm air out 
>> of the  exit plenum. I need to draw a picture. That'll take a while, 
>>  especially around Christmas.
>>  
>> The colder the  magnets are, the stronger they are, and the less 
>> resistive the  copper is, so cooler is always better for the motor. The 
>> same  is true for the ESC: MOSFETs are less resistive the cooler they 
>>  are, so everything gets better in the Antarctic except battery 
>>  performance.
>>  
>>  later,
>>     Dean
>>   
>>  
>>
>> Dean Pappas
>> Sr.  Design Engineer
>> Kodeos Communications
>> 111 Corporate  Blvd.
>> South Plainfield, N.J. 07080
>> (908) 222-7817  phone
>> (908) 222-2392 fax
>> _d.pappas at kodeos.com_ (mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com) 
>>
>>      -----Original Message-----
>>     *From:* _nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) 
>>      [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]*On Behalf  Of
>>     *Bob  Richards
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19,  2006 9:27 AM
>>     *To:* _chad at f3acanada.org_ (mailto:chad at f3acanada.org) ; NSRCA Mailing 
 List
>>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion]  Cooling outrunners
>>
>>     Is there  any reason why you can't duct the air to blow into  the
>>     rear of the motor, and provide a way  for it to escape from the front?
>>       
>>     Geez, I'm just thinking that leaving  the spinner off, or use a
>>     really small  spinner, would be the way to go.
>>       
>>     Bob  R.
>>
>>
>>     */Chad  Northeast <_chad at f3acanada.org>/_ 
(mailto:chad at f3acanada.org>/) *  wrote:
>>
>>          The problem with a lot of composite fuse models  (Twister
>>          included) is
>>          that the inlets in the chin and cheeks are often right at  the
>>         rear  or
>>         even behind  an outrunner.....so ducting toward them is  very
>>          difficult.
>>         I  have to agree that a proper ducting system is crucial  for
>>         cooling.  I
>>         use a very  simple short radius 90 bend in a peice of  depron
>>         that  pulls
>>         air in  from the chin, I see about a 20C rise in temp  without
>>         it,  other
>>         than that  I dont really do anything special. The motor  will
>>         operate  at
>>         up to 170F  without complaining so as long as its 20-30F  below
>>         that  all
>>         is good  :)
>>
>>          Chad
>>
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