[NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out

[Ron Van Putte]

On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Ed Miller wrote:

> I'm willing to bet that a competitor will be down graded  
> ( incorrectly so )
> on this maneuver using different roll rates for the 1/2 rolls and  
> slow roll
> ??  Here is where the S&G comes in, someone can and will do this  
> maneuver
> with a constant roll rate throughout and center it within the  
> horizontal
> box. Someone else will center it BUT have different roll rates.   
> The S&G
> maneuver will score higher.  Since you have to wait till the entire  
> maneuver
> is flown to see if it has been centered, S&G points will seep in.

We will always have il-informed judges.  We as pilots should fly  
within the rules and hope the judges are as informed as we.  If we  
try to satisfy what we think the judges want, that's not in the  
rules, we would set ourselves up with a problem, because, if the  
scores aren't what we expect, we wouldn't know where to go from there.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Ramsey" <don.ramsey at cox.net>
> To: <randy10926 at comtekmail.com>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out
>
>
>> The answer to the roll rate is in the maneuver description.  Roll  
>> rates
>> for
>> the 2 point and the slow roll can be different.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Glenn Hatfield" <randy10926 at comtekmail.com>
>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out
>>
>>
>>> Very good question.  Using general judging rules, one would think  
>>> that
>>> different roll rates in the same manever would be a down grade.   
>>> But a
>>> point roll and slow roll are pretty different and fitting it in  
>>> the space
>>> allowed with 2 slow points and one slow full roll would be pretty  
>>> hard to
>>> do.
>>>
>>> What does the judging committee say?  It would be nice to have an  
>>> answer
>>> before we start running the seminars for next year.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> --- edbon85 at charter.net wrote:
>>>
>>> From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at charter.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out
>>> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 08:50:18 -0500
>>>
>>> Same here.  To fit it all in the horizontal segment, the 2 - 1/2  
>>> rolls
>>> are
>>> at a higher roll rate than the slow roll and then the slow roll  
>>> starts
>>> before center. If I speed up the slow roll rate, it basically  
>>> doesn't
>>> look
>>> like a slow roll.  I guess my question is, to get the best score,  
>>> does
>>> the
>>> roll rate have to remain constant throughout the maneuver ??
>>> Ed M.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Where does center work out
>>>
>>>
>>> I sure don't have it figured out yet-    But I'm working toward  
>>> crisp 2/2
>>> and starting the slow roll a bit
>>> before center.  Then, working on a not toooo slow, slow roll.
>>>
>>> Later, Ron
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: Stuart Chale
>>>  To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'
>>>  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maneuver 4 Masters pattern
>>>
>>>
>>>  At least that one has an obvious center and is a normal length  
>>> center
>>> maneuver.  Who decided that the of two followed by a slow roll  
>>> should be
>>> done on center J  I have yet to fit that in the box J
>>>
>>>  To those that have figured it out; what part of the sequence is  
>>> coming
>>> out
>>> on center (besides the middle)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>  Jim,
>>>
>>>  I'm not worried about center right now, I'm just trying to get  
>>> through
>>> it!!! : )
>>>
>>>  Greg Grigsby
>>>
>>>
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