[NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?

[Derek Koopowitz]

Jim,

On the 14MZ I flip a switch to go to high rate elevator which does not have
the increased aileron throw - my increased aileron and reduced rudder throw
is actually activated by having the condition come in at full up/down
elevator (just as Adrian described).  I use this same switch to go to high
rate ele for landing.
 

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Adrian
 When you guys set it up this way for elevator,do you see or feel anything
when you pull sharp corners such as in the triangle? Also if ailerons are
needed for correction it seems like the increase sensitivity would affect
the correction and feel of the plane.

Jim Ivey

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> Don,
>
> With my WCII, I set up a flight condition on the elevator stick for the
P-07 snaps.
>
> First of all, I fly with very little throws on all moving surfaces under
normal flying. When it comes time for snaps, with the elevator stick hits
full up (+ve snaps), it increass the throw from the normal 9 degrees to
about 12 degrees, in turns, it activate the conditon to increase the aileron
throws from 8 degrees to 15 degrees. It also decrease the rudder throws.
>
> Give this a try.
>
> Adrian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Don Filteau <don.filteau at sasktel.net>
> >Sent: Aug 20, 2006 11:35 PM
> >To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
> >
> >Hey Ron
> >
> >To bad they didn't talk about this before I got All my zeros at the last
> >contest
> >
> >Don
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
> >To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 2:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
> >
> >
> >> Yeah, spin condition has more expo.  I switch conditions shortly after
> >> cutting throttle.  The plane is still moving fairly fast, so I'm just
> >> holding in normal elevator to maintain inverted flight.  So, I am
> >> flicking it on the level flight leading up to the spin, but with our
> >> inverted spin entry there is elevator input present when I flick it.
> >>
> >> Spin and snap are completely different.  Spin is almost no aileron,
tons
> >> of elevator, and lots of rudder.  Snap is tons of aileron, moderate
> >> elevator (this travel is set for the break, not for during the spin -
> >> during the spin I hold in only about 1/5 of my elevator stick), and a
> >> fair bit of rudder.
> >>
> >> In my experience, pattern planes spin best with no aileron input.  My
> >> Mantis required aileron to do a clean spin entry, but once the rotation
> >> has begun I took it completely out.  The Twister seems to require some
> >> aileron throughout, as a pure elevator and rudder spin puts it deeply
> >> stalled, making hitting the exit very difficult (continues about 1/2 a
> >> rotation after I return sticks to center).  It looks better with no
> >> aileron, but missing the exit by 45 degrees doesn't look so good.
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >> Emory Schroeter wrote:
> >>> So, you have more expo in the spin condition so that it feels the same
> >>> when
> >>> you click the switch (when you are already holding in elevator)? I was
> >>> kind
> >>> of wondering when to flip the switch. I thought you would do it on the
> >>> level
> >>> flight before the maneuver. But, you flip it as you are going into the
> >>> spin?
> >>>
> >>> Also, why do you need a separate spin and snap condition. I thought
those
> >>> might be kind of the same so that you would only need two conditions
> >>> (snap/spin and regular). What are the differences between the two?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Emory.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Adam Glatt" <adam.g at sasktel.net>
> >>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 3:37 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flight conditions?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I use my 'aileron dual rate' 3-position  switch as my condition
switch
> >>>> (JR 10X).  Top is snap, middle is spin, bottom is regular flight.
> >>>> Really the only trick I use is fairly carefully set expo on the spin
> >>>> condition.  I set spin elevator expo to ensure that as I'm holding
> >>>> elevator in and slowing the plane down, that when I switch to spin
> >>>> condition (much more elevator throw) the plane doesn't jump.  So,
about
> >>>> 1/8 - 1/4 elevator stick input is the same output on spin and regular
> >>>> conditions.
> >>>> -Adam
> >>>>
> >>>> Emory Schroeter wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Alright, since it's kind of quiet today, let me see if we can get
some
> >>>>> discussion going. Up until now, I have been flying without using any
> >>>>> kind of dual rate or flight conditions. My theory was that the less
> >>>>> stuff I had to flip on the TX, the better. I just dialed in a fair
> >>>>> amount of expo to try and keep it smooth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In Ocala this year, Jason Shulman was flying my 1st Black Magic, may
> >>>>> it rest in pieces...I mean peace. He felt that I was giving up a lot
> >>>>> by not having reduced throws to make things smoother and using dual
> >>>>> rates or conditions for snaps and spins. So, I am getting ready to
set
> >>>>> up my radio for a snap flight condition. My question is what kinds
of
> >>>>> tricks or changes do you use for this other than the obvious
increase
> >>>>> in throws? I am using a Futaba 9WCII and I am currently flying
masters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>> Emory Schroeter.
> >>>>>
> >>
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