[NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20

[Fred Huber]

I haven't judged much... or higher classes (just Sportsman/Intermediate)... 
but what I looked for regarding the straight at each end of a maneuver was: 
Wings level.. straight track established before entry... track and attitude 
HELD ... just for a bit... at exit after the last part of the maneuver 
before correction to track/attitude was done.
If they were off track and corrected... slowly to try to hide it.. it wasn't 
a straight line exit.  Essentially you can compound the exit downgrade by 
blowing the straight line.

Note... when I scribed for higher levels... I tried to judge and predict the 
Judge's scores... I'm usually close. (+/- 1.5) and usually high. (not 
catching all the errors)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Huber" <fhhuber at clearwire.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20


> OK.. then its impossible to downgrade THIS maneuver for centering if the
> straight lines are part of it....  Because there is no definite attitude 
> of
> the model that can be associated with center, and the line start and end
> can't be defined, since there's also straight line exit from the previous
> maneuver and entry to the following.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Has to be start of rolling and end of rolling for centering reference and
> assumed same length straight at each end. (which can be just one fuselage
> length... maybe less since the length is not defined...)
>
> If you don't assume same length straight lines... you can't judge center 
> on
> anything.... even a simple loop.
>
> You can purposely shoot for roll rates that center the inverted....  but 
> as
> noted... a slow roll probably SHOULD be slower roll rate than the rate for
> the 2/2.  which would be likely put put you somewhere in the slow roll
> portion at center.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>
>
>> The entire maneuver is judged including the straight lines.  Each 
>> maneuver
>> as defined in our rules starts and ends with a straight line.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:55 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>>
>> Actually, while the straight line "before" and "after" the maneuver is
>> required the names (of the lines) themselves define that they are not
>> "included" in the maneuver. Rolls start when the aircraft begins to roll
>> (for the first element) and end when it stops rolling (the final 
>> element).
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>>
>>
>>> Not necessarily - since the maneuver is made up of two different rolling
>>> elements the center of the maneuver is the center of the two components
>>> including the straight line before and after the maneuver.  Since the 
>>> 2/2
>>> point roll will be done a lot faster than the slow roll the maneuver 
>>> will
>>> start early and the 2 point roll will finish long before center prior to
>>> the
>>> slow roll beginning.  What the pilot/judge needs to do is visualize 
>>> where
>>> the maneuver starts including the straight flight portion and where it
>>> will
>>> end after the slow roll including the straight flight portion and
>>> position
>>> the maneuver accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>>> jivey61 at bellsouth.net
>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:18 PM
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>>>
>>> I am directing this to Don Ramsey.
>>> Where is the center of the 2/2pt roll,slow roll opposite. It seems it
>>> would
>>> be between  the 2/2pt and the slow roll opposite.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
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