[NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20

[Fred Huber]

OK.. then its impossible to downgrade THIS maneuver for centering if the 
straight lines are part of it....  Because there is no definite attitude of 
the model that can be associated with center, and the line start and end 
can't be defined, since there's also straight line exit from the previous 
maneuver and entry to the following.

Sorry.

Has to be start of rolling and end of rolling for centering reference and 
assumed same length straight at each end. (which can be just one fuselage 
length... maybe less since the length is not defined...)

If you don't assume same length straight lines... you can't judge center on 
anything.... even a simple loop.

You can purposely shoot for roll rates that center the inverted....  but as 
noted... a slow roll probably SHOULD be slower roll rate than the rate for 
the 2/2.  which would be likely put put you somewhere in the slow roll 
portion at center.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20


> The entire maneuver is judged including the straight lines.  Each maneuver
> as defined in our rules starts and ends with a straight line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Earl Haury
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 7:55 PM
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> Actually, while the straight line "before" and "after" the maneuver is
> required the names (of the lines) themselves define that they are not
> "included" in the maneuver. Rolls start when the aircraft begins to roll
> (for the first element) and end when it stops rolling (the final element).
>
> Earl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:19 PM
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>
>> Not necessarily - since the maneuver is made up of two different rolling
>> elements the center of the maneuver is the center of the two components
>> including the straight line before and after the maneuver.  Since the 2/2
>> point roll will be done a lot faster than the slow roll the maneuver will
>> start early and the 2 point roll will finish long before center prior to
>> the
>> slow roll beginning.  What the pilot/judge needs to do is visualize where
>> the maneuver starts including the straight flight portion and where it
>> will
>> end after the slow roll including the straight flight portion and 
>> position
>> the maneuver accordingly.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> jivey61 at bellsouth.net
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:18 PM
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>>
>> I am directing this to Don Ramsey.
>> Where is the center of the 2/2pt roll,slow roll opposite. It seems it
>> would
>> be between  the 2/2pt and the slow roll opposite.
>>
>> TIA
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