[NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20

[Earl Haury]

With all due respect - I think that we're more or less on the same page - 
just a bit of language getting in the way. Certainly entry and exit lines 
are a judged part of all maneuvers (wish more judges watched them). However, 
the question of rolling maneuvers center has been eternal and it isn't that 
complicated. There needs to be a straight line entry and exit, but a roll 
starts when the wings first move and ends when they finally stop (crisp 
start and stop) - the center is midway between the start and stop. Another 
way to look at it is to consider how one is to know when the straight line 
ends for one maneuver and starts for another  - how can that be factored 
into centering?

Earl
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> Earl
> So do we say the maneuver starts when the first roll starts and last
> rolling element ends,and not including entry and exit lines?
> I think you mean__-maneuver starts when the aircraft begins to roll
>> (for the first element) and end when it stops rolling (the final element
> Jim Ivey
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
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>
>
>> Actually, while the straight line "before" and "after" the maneuver is
>> required the names (of the lines) themselves define that they are not
>> "included" in the maneuver. Rolls start when the aircraft begins to roll
>> (for the first element) and end when it stops rolling (the final 
>> element).
>>
>> Earl
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>>
>>
>> > Not necessarily - since the maneuver is made up of two different 
>> > rolling
>> > elements the center of the maneuver is the center of the two components
>> > including the straight line before and after the maneuver.  Since the
> 2/2
>> > point roll will be done a lot faster than the slow roll the maneuver
> will
>> > start early and the 2 point roll will finish long before center prior 
>> > to
>> > the
>> > slow roll beginning.  What the pilot/judge needs to do is visualize
> where
>> > the maneuver starts including the straight flight portion and where it
>> > will
>> > end after the slow roll including the straight flight portion and
> position
>> > the maneuver accordingly.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> > jivey61 at bellsouth.net
>> > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:18 PM
>> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2007 Masters... clarify on Item20
>> >
>> > I am directing this to Don Ramsey.
>> > Where is the center of the 2/2pt roll,slow roll opposite. It seems it
>> > would
>> > be between  the 2/2pt and the slow roll opposite.
>> >
>> > TIA
>> >
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