Growing pattern

Fri Nov 18 05:46:11 AKST 2005

Dave:
The BOD has discussed this subject; the general consensus was that inasmuch 
as the K-Factor is a big selling point toward joining NSRCA, that to give 
away one of our most valued products, would not be beneficial.  It is, 
however, quite possible for non-members tovisit the web site, and download 
older K-Factors free.
BTW: I sure hoped to see you at the BARKS contest; you are the only person 
in D2 to make Carl Zavalney look over his shoulder!<G>
Bill Glaze
D2VP
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Michael" <davidmichael1 at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Growing pattern

>I assume this has been discussed but what is the thought behind making 
>K-Factor available to anyone online?
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Hochhalter" <chochhalter at direcway.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Growing pattern
>
>
>> Ed, you are right on.  I think there are tons of small seemingly
>> insignificant times when we could expose people to pattern and the joy
>> in learning the skills needed to fly it.  Notice I did not say compete.
>> There are those out there and I fully understand this who don't want
>> their hobby to be a means of competition so I try to get them to just
>> learn to fly the maneuvers to gain the feel for precision in their
>> flying.
>>
>> I too monitor RCU and in basic help questions I try to respond but I am
>> fairly new to pattern, 3rd year but still learning equipment and yes, I
>> am developing some strong opinions about setups.  Who would have thought
>> that?
>>
>> As for what I can do, I wouldn't mind being the accumulator of info.
>> Someone sent me an email and the question was asked... is this for
>> technical help or to recruit.  I would like to see the video as a
>> recruiting tool.
>>
>> How many hobby shops do you see with vcrs and dvd players now?
>>
>> I think we should give this a try.  If you have any inflight video that
>> would be great. We could even post on the NSRCA website downloadable
>> planes for G2 sim and the Aerofly Pro sim??  Just a thought.
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>> Chuck Hochhalter
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ed Alt
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:19 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: RE: Growing pattern
>>
>> So Chuck, what do you plan on doing after this email post of yours?  I'm
>>
>> away on business travel this week and only have a few minutes a day to
>> monitor the list and have been patiently watching for something more to
>> pop
>> up regarding this topic, so thanks for that.  I feel strongly about the
>> need
>> to do several positive things to grow Pattern.  I have some definite
>> ideas
>> and suggestions for our D1 VP to consider, as well as the rest of the
>> NSRCA
>> leadership.  For example, designate a small team per region to monitor
>> forums such as RCU to see who is asking aerobatics related questions
>> that
>> may deserve answers from the Pattern community.
>>
>> I try to do this in both the Pattern and IMAC forums.  Every week or two
>> on
>> average there is someone asking a question or posting a response in the
>> IMAC
>> forum who just might be a real Pattern candidate, if only they were a
>> little
>> better informed.  So I try to inform them with what I have learned so
>> far.
>> It's usually very basic stuff too.  Guys are always asking things like
>> "Gee,
>> I  still have this (fill in the blanks) 70 inch wingspan thing" that
>> fits
>> into what could be flown in Pattern Sportsman or IMAC Basic.  The post
>> always contains basic bio info such as where they are from, so I go to
>> Mapquest and then to the D1 website and give them an answer which
>> includes
>> things like what contests there are in D1 that they can reach out and
>> touch
>> easily.  I also tell them something about the IMAC contests that still
>> exist
>> (yes, they are on the DECLINE in the NE as Pattern is simultaneously
>> GROWING
>> in D1).  Everything I give them is 100% factual based on what I know
>> about
>> IMAC history in my region (I used to be the IMAC NE Regional Director)
>> and
>> is based on the last contest season for both IMAC and Pattern as a
>> reasonable point of reference.
>>
>> Chuck, we aren't likely to get more than a handful of responses on the
>> list
>> that aren't meant to tickle the funny bone and make fun of the topic.
>> I'm a
>> little disappointed too.  So I suggest that you and the other few who
>> might
>> have a similar interest just grab your district VP by the collarbone and
>>
>> yank.  Get your ideas directly into their ear and insist on active
>> participation and results.  I think that our district VP is of a similar
>>
>> mindset and there probably isn't going to be much to block progress with
>> him
>> by brainstorming and taking initiative, other than the normal pressures
>> we
>> all have in our daily lives.  Put some pressure on your leadership to
>> actually do something if they aren't already.  That's where delegation
>> of
>> responsibility comes in if they are too busy to do it all themselves,
>> which
>> is totally understandable.  Inaction, however, isn't forgiveable..  If
>> you
>> really care about this and think it's a real problem, then please do
>> more
>> than simply complain to this email list, because it will take more than
>> that
>> for real results.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Chuck Hochhalter <chochhalter at direcway.com>
>>>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>>Subject: Growing pattern
>>>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:34:47 -0600
>>>
>>>Well, it appears after a flurry of messages, lots of discussion,
>>>realizing a problem..
>>>
>>>
>>>Again.. there has not been ANYTHING done to try and come up with a
>>>slight game plan to help pattern.
>>>
>>>IT WILL DIE!
>>>
>>>This really pisses me off that so many people can get on the list, say
>>>what all the problems with pattern, the NSRCA, the AMA and other
>> members
>>>and don't do crap about trying to be part of the solution or contribute
>>>more than just their opinions.
>>>
>>>The same thing happened with the "vote" on the list response method
>> (btw
>>>thanks for fixing it imo).  There was a flurry of opinions then
>> nothing.
>>>(not taking a shot at the moderator, I appreciate your hard work) but
>>>then there was silence till one lone person mentioned it, then another
>>>flurry.
>>>
>>>Didn't I hear something about the NATS possibly traveling again?  Wow ,
>>>what  a worthwhile topic for people to be involved in as this would be
>> a
>>>great way to spread pattern and expose it to others rather than just
>>>bringing the pattern community to one "overexposed" so to speak spot.
>>>
>>>How about the idea to do a combined event with IMAC, this would
>> possibly
>>>convert or "cross-train" some IMAC pilots?
>>>
>>>I just don't see why it seems the only good that comes from this list
>> is
>>>when people have equipment needs.. what about our sanctioning body and
>>>our sport.
>>>
>>>Sorry to ramble but it just doesn't make any sense. Do we not have the
>>>organization to address these issues?  What is the purpose of the NSRCA
>>>then?
>>>
>>>
>>>Section 2 - Purpose of the Society
>>>a. Act as a focal point for rules development and progression. Gather
>>>intelligence from the AMA precision aerobatics community to provide the
>>>basis for AMA rules change proposals
>>>b. Promote precision aerobatics in the general R/C community by
>>>providing leadership in all of the objectives of the society.  .
>>>c. Enhance model precision aerobatics as a recognized sport.
>>>d. Develop and provide high standards in judging for competitions and
>>>provide qualifications and achievement recognition for judges.
>>>
>>>Anyone notice E.  what is being done to accomplish this and the other
>>>purposes of our "society"?
>>>
>>>
>>>Chuck Hochhalter
>>>
>>>I skipped the flame suit and went straight for a bunker.
>>>
>>
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