F3A judges for local comps

[John Pavlick]

See, that's why Dean gets the "big bucks". Always thinking outside the box. Wait, aren't we supposed to stay in the box? Hey...

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dean Pappas
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:01 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: F3A judges for local comps
> 
> 
> Hi Pete,
> So you are in a bind. Let me add another way-out possibility to the mix.
> Let's say you have a different one or two out of "N" pilots, in 
> the class, skip each round, and judge instead.
> You total up the scores of those two judges, and assign the 
> pilots who did fly in the round an ordinal ranking.
>  
> Why an ordinal? Because trying to mix scores in an uneven 
> exposure situation is problematic, and preserving the actual 
> point spreads offers several ways for a judging competitor to be 
> ... ahem ... strategic. All you preserve from each round is a 
> direct, better or not, comparison of one pilot against each 
> other, in the round. This still offers a crooked competitor a way 
> to booger the results, but this setup is not being offered up as 
> any kind of ideal!
>  
>  First, you have to juggle the number of judges per round, and 
> the number of rounds so that no one sits out a comparatively 
> large number of rounds, and also so that no one ever judges with 
> the same other person(s) twice. This will not be trivial, but not 
> everyone needs to judge. It might be nice ... It will probably 
> dictate how many rounds are flown. In the case of weather 
> problems, ties are easily possible, unless each flier in 
> contention has flown at least one round against each other contender.
>  
>  Because of the mixing, each competitor will get a chance to be 
> directly compared to each other competitor, for at least a good 
> portion of the rounds. That's why you never judge with the same 
> guy twice: you want to be compared to him, too.You average all 
> the ordinals a pilot got, and compare those, at the end of the 
> contest. low number wins. Rounds judged don't count in the 
> average, and missed rounds are assigned last place. You might 
> decide to drop a pilot's worst ordinal, before averaging.
>  
> I know it's a wacky setup, but if there was only one class of 
> Pattern, something like this might have happened. You know that 
> there were, once upon a time, such things as club judges!
>  
> Dean
>  
>  
> 
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> 	From: discussion-request at nsrca.org on behalf of Dave Burton 
> 	Sent: Wed 11/9/2005 6:17 PM 
> 	To: Peter Pennisi; discussion at nsrca.org 
> 	Cc: 
> 	Subject: RE: F3A judges for local comps
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	I think it's a good idea, except I'd suggest not dropping 
> the high and low
> 	scores. Let them all count and IMO you'll get a better result.
> 	Dave Burton
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> 	[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Peter Pennisi
> 	Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:42 PM
> 	To: discussion at nsrca.org
> 	Subject: F3A judges for local comps
> 	
> 	
> 	
> 	We currently have a big problem with the number of 
> experienced flyers which
> 	show up at comps. We have a healthy number of F3A flyers 
> and a good number
> 	of new and very inexperienced sportsman class flyers. 
> Unfortunately our
> 	middle ranks have been decimated for reasons I am not 
> really sure about
> 	(that is a topic for another day).
> 	
> 	Anyway this leaves us very short for experienced judges who 
> a capable of
> 	judging F3A.
> 	
> 	We a going to try an experiment by having F3A flyers judge 
> each other for
> 	the comp. Lets say we have five F3A flyers -while one fly's 
> the others judge
> 	that flight which gives us four judges. We will drop the 
> highest and lowest
> 	scores and the other scores will be averaged to arrive at a 
> flight score and
> 	so forth.
> 	
> 	Results for each of the rounds will not be available until 
> the end of the
> 	comp and flyers are not to discuss anything about judging 
> the flights until
> 	the end of the comp.
> 	
> 	Has anyone tried this and are there any other suggestions 
> we can use to make
> 	it work.
> 	
> 	The approach will fail if competitors team up to try and 
> force a result but
> 	the guys involved are not that type.
> 	
> 	What do you all think?
> 	
> 	Peter
> 	
> 	
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