Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...

Thu Nov 3 04:46:09 AKST 2005

 One of the big problems I see with loosing the list is that on the list
some of the heated debates thats goes on that only concerns NSRCA, could be
a real negitive to our sig. I was on one of the other mailing list and even
tried it twice, it was so negitive that it made me to never want anything
to do with that sig. Do we really want our in-fighting to be for public
display? It's good for our sig to have these discussions, bring out good
points and bad, but some of it could be a very sour for the general
modeler. Lots of us still use RCU and it is very good for some things, like
the Electric pattern forum that I ask Mark to start, very good for people
that was interested in pattern but like EP, and might bring in people that
wouldn't have had any interst in pattern but liked EP.
 Steve Maxwell

> [Original Message]
> From: Keith Black <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Date: 11/3/2005 3:47:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...
>
> Steve,
>
> OK, so there's a problem with Yahoo Groups, what about a special NSRCA
forum
> on RCU? What do we loose?
>
> We'd still have www.nsrca.org.
>
> I'm just trying to stir up discussion because progress is important. To be
> honest, my initial gut reaction is, "NO, DON'T GET RID OF THE MAILING
LIST!"
> Why? I'm not sure. Guess I've just got a warm and fuzzy feeling about this
> list and the friendships cultivated through it. On the other hand, when I
> think of it logically I can see very little negative with using RCU, or
some
> other public tool, to host our discussions IF that forum improves our
> communications and opens us to more R/C pilots. If everyone makes the move
> we should have the same participation, content and spirit that we have
with
> the current list, just in a better medium.
>
> I went to the trouble of listing out the Pros and Cons with each of the
> options I could think of to spark a logical discussion, not to try and
cram
> anything down everyone's throat. This is the way I always make decisions,
> listing the pros and cons (must be that engineer mentality in me coming
> out). ;-)
>
> Keith Black
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Maxwell" <patternrules at earthlink.net>
> To: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...
>
>
> > I think this list is good for many things, anyone can always go to RCU
> > when ever they want, as for the Yahoo groups you'll find that you will
> have
> > to start approving everyone that joins it if not the spammer's will find
> > and use it for porn and everything else, how do I know this well I use
it
> > for our club mailing list and we got hit hard at one time, now I approve
> > evryone that uses it, one other thing I changed e-mail address and even
> > though I'm the only moderator I can't even acess the site as moderator
my
> > only way to approve member's is though my e-mail and I have had people
> with
> > no interest try to get on.
> >  This list now have a great archives with lots of info.
> >  I'm not saying this is the best way but I do think it has it's place.
> >  ProBro is not for me or am I the only one that see's ADULT content, the
> > atitude that I have seen from these guys I don't want to be a part of.
> >  Steve Maxwell
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Keith Black <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Date: 11/2/2005 11:00:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...
> > >
> > > Chris, Eric, et al,
> > >
> > > I agree whole heartedly about the limitations on the NSRCA mailing
list.
> > >
> > > Options:
> > >
> > > 1. The NSRCA could invest in (or find free) forum software to build
and
> > run
> > > our own forum.
> > >
> > > Pros: Complete control and not dependent on anyone. Ability to only
> admit
> > > who we wish to admit. (not that this is ever of often used)
> > >
> > > Cons: Costs in dollars for software and man hours to maintain. No
> exposure
> > > to massive numbers of new users.
> > >
> > > 2. Use an existing free service to host a private forum such as the
> Yahoo
> > > Groups site that I have already setup. Check it out at:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsrcadiscussion/
> > >
> > > Pros: Free, no server costs for NSRCA. Much more functionality than
the
> > > current list, ability to read messages in a forum layout or in a
mailing
> > > list format that works identical to what we currently use. Ability for
> > users
> > > to upload pictures, files, search, etc.  Ability to conduct online
> polls.
> > > Exposure to massive numbers of new users, but not necessarily users
> > focused
> > > on R/C. Ability to admit only who we wish to. Limited man hours to
> > > setup/maintain.
> > >
> > > Cons: Site is owned by an outside source, we're limited to the
> > functionality
> > > and limitations provided by the site (which BTW is already better than
> > what
> > > we have). Have to get a Yahoo UserID.
> > >
> > > 3. Move the official NSRCA forum to RCU.
> > >
> > > Pros: Free, no server costs for NSRCA. Awesome functionality including
> > > excellent ability to share pictures for the aforementioned build
threads
> > and
> > > how-to's, powerful search engine, personal file/picture uploads, etc.
> > > Ability to conduct online polls. Focused exposure to massive numbers
of
> > R/C
> > > enthusiast. Virtually no man hours needed to maintain, other than a
> > > moderator.
> > >
> > > Cons: Ownership - site is owned by an outside source so ultimately
we're
> > not
> > > in control. Completely open site so we can't limit to only those we
want
> > > (not really an issue). We're boosting someone else's business by
> bringing
> > > our traffic to their site. They could disappear one day and we'd have
to
> > > find another solution. More people would see some of our stupid
> arguments.
> > >
> > > Keith Black
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Chris Moon" <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
> > > Cc: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree this is an old way old doing things.  I don't know about the
> > > > NSRCA's web server and its costs and limitations, but I know there
is
> > > > software out there (some free) that we could put onto the NSRCA's
> server
> > > > and have an RCU type forum there w/ posting of pics etc.  Maybe our
> web
> > > > team can look into this??
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > Michael Laggis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >My true and honest belief is that using a mailing list for sharing
> > ideas
> > > and
> > > > >information is obsolete.  With the free resources like RCUniverse
> where
> > > > >people can post to threads, add pictures, do searches makes getting
> > 20,30
> > > > >and 40 email a day pretty useless.  The only reason for using a
mail
> > list
> > > is
> > > > >for people that only have an email account and no access to the
> > internet.
> > > I
> > > > >would have to say that number is close to nil.
> > > > >
> > > > >Instead of complaining about the list,  stop using it and start
using
> > > > >RCUniverse.  Content there can be seen by pattern and non-pattern
> > flyers.
> > > > >Contest reports with pictures can be posted, build threads with
> > pictures
> > > and
> > > > >descriptions will stay there and can be searched and used by anyone
> in
> > > the
> > > > >world.  Ideas can be shared with not just the NSRCA community but
> with
> > > > >Pattern Flyers throughout the world.
> > > > >
> > > > >As for the K-Factor, When and if I receive my paper copy I have
> already
> > > > >downloaded it.  It could be made electronic only and if someone
again
> > > does
> > > > >not have access someone could print it out and give or send it to
> that
> > > > >person.
> > > > >
> > > > >Again, these are personal opinions, If it is something that someone
> > feels
> > > > >really passionate about they should peruse an NSRCA vote on the
> subject
> > > and
> > > > >follow the results.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Michael Laggis
> > > > >
> > > > >
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