FW: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...

Wed Nov 2 17:41:42 AKST 2005

Steven Maxwell

> [Original Message]
> From: Steven Maxwell <patternrules at earthlink.net>
> To: Keith Black <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> Date: 11/2/2005 9:32:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...
>
>  I think this list is good for many things, anyone can always go to RCU
when ever they want, as for the Yahoo groups you'll find that you will have
to start approving everyone that joins it if not the spammer's will find
and use it for porn and everything else, how do I know this well I use it
for our club mailing list and we got hit hard at one time, now I approve
evryone that uses it, one other thing I changed e-mail address and even
though I'm the only moderator I can't even acess the site as moderator my
only way to approve member's is though my e-mail and I have had people with
no interest try to get on.
>  This list now have a great archives with lots of info. 
>  I'm not saying this is the best way but I do think it has it's place.
>  ProBro is not for me or am I the only one that see's ADULT content, the
atitude that I have seen from these guys I don't want to be a part of.
>  Steve Maxwell
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Keith Black <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Date: 11/2/2005 11:00:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor - Mail List Alternatives...
> >
> > Chris, Eric, et al,
> >
> > I agree whole heartedly about the limitations on the NSRCA mailing list.
> >
> > Options:
> >
> > 1. The NSRCA could invest in (or find free) forum software to build and
run
> > our own forum.
> >
> > Pros: Complete control and not dependent on anyone. Ability to only
admit
> > who we wish to admit. (not that this is ever of often used)
> >
> > Cons: Costs in dollars for software and man hours to maintain. No
exposure
> > to massive numbers of new users.
> >
> > 2. Use an existing free service to host a private forum such as the
Yahoo
> > Groups site that I have already setup. Check it out at:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsrcadiscussion/
> >
> > Pros: Free, no server costs for NSRCA. Much more functionality than the
> > current list, ability to read messages in a forum layout or in a mailing
> > list format that works identical to what we currently use. Ability for
users
> > to upload pictures, files, search, etc.  Ability to conduct online
polls.
> > Exposure to massive numbers of new users, but not necessarily users
focused
> > on R/C. Ability to admit only who we wish to. Limited man hours to
> > setup/maintain.
> >
> > Cons: Site is owned by an outside source, we're limited to the
functionality
> > and limitations provided by the site (which BTW is already better than
what
> > we have). Have to get a Yahoo UserID.
> >
> > 3. Move the official NSRCA forum to RCU.
> >
> > Pros: Free, no server costs for NSRCA. Awesome functionality including
> > excellent ability to share pictures for the aforementioned build
threads and
> > how-to's, powerful search engine, personal file/picture uploads, etc.
> > Ability to conduct online polls. Focused exposure to massive numbers of
R/C
> > enthusiast. Virtually no man hours needed to maintain, other than a
> > moderator.
> >
> > Cons: Ownership - site is owned by an outside source so ultimately
we're not
> > in control. Completely open site so we can't limit to only those we want
> > (not really an issue). We're boosting someone else's business by
bringing
> > our traffic to their site. They could disappear one day and we'd have to
> > find another solution. More people would see some of our stupid
arguments.
> >
> > Keith Black
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Chris Moon" <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Michael Laggis" <fishgod at pobox.mtaonline.net>
> > Cc: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Mailing List/K Factor
> >
> >
> > > I agree this is an old way old doing things.  I don't know about the
> > > NSRCA's web server and its costs and limitations, but I know there is
> > > software out there (some free) that we could put onto the NSRCA's
server
> > > and have an RCU type forum there w/ posting of pics etc.  Maybe our
web
> > > team can look into this??
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > Michael Laggis wrote:
> > >
> > > >My true and honest belief is that using a mailing list for sharing
ideas
> > and
> > > >information is obsolete.  With the free resources like RCUniverse
where
> > > >people can post to threads, add pictures, do searches makes getting
20,30
> > > >and 40 email a day pretty useless.  The only reason for using a mail
list
> > is
> > > >for people that only have an email account and no access to the
internet.
> > I
> > > >would have to say that number is close to nil.
> > > >
> > > >Instead of complaining about the list,  stop using it and start using
> > > >RCUniverse.  Content there can be seen by pattern and non-pattern
flyers.
> > > >Contest reports with pictures can be posted, build threads with
pictures
> > and
> > > >descriptions will stay there and can be searched and used by anyone
in
> > the
> > > >world.  Ideas can be shared with not just the NSRCA community but
with
> > > >Pattern Flyers throughout the world.
> > > >
> > > >As for the K-Factor, When and if I receive my paper copy I have
already
> > > >downloaded it.  It could be made electronic only and if someone again
> > does
> > > >not have access someone could print it out and give or send it to
that
> > > >person.
> > > >
> > > >Again, these are personal opinions, If it is something that someone
feels
> > > >really passionate about they should peruse an NSRCA vote on the
subject
> > and
> > > >follow the results.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Michael Laggis
> > > >
> > > >
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