Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

[Jerry Stebbins]

AMEN, and more.This only covers the airplane safety, how many times have we
ducked on takeoff or landings . I for one want to feel that the pilot has
CONTROL of his aircraft, and if we have to FORCE e.g. RULE him to LEARN to
be able to control his TO/L than so be it.
You can be sure there will be EMERGENCY SAFETY proposals put in to AMA with
photos, and depositions if we experience an increase in  incidents with the
planes or pilot/judges, and then the lawers will way in. We better fix it
before they do it for us!!!!!!!!!
Been hit before.
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"


> I've weighed in plenty on this subject so I'll leave it to Don to work
this
> out and I'll follow whatever rules are decided on.
>
> However, I do have a VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY point to make.
>
> Dowane, you stated: "...fly either two 180° turns in Intermediate not
> passing the center pole or one 180° turn in all other classes."
>
> I would STRONGLY advise against making the second 180° before passing the
> center pole. This requires the Intermediate pilot to cut across the middle
> of the pattern the other pilot is flying. I've seen two mid-airs occur
from
> this practice, one with an Intermediate pilot and a Masters pilot and one
> with two FAI pilots at NATS (when the finishing pilot cut across to avoid
> exiting the box). I know it's a low likelihood of a mid-air occurring, but
> this quick cut across the middle unnecessarily raises the odds.
>
> Keith Black
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dowane Gould" <iflyrc24 at columbus.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:58 PM
> Subject: RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
>
>
> Mainly "because the rule book says so!"
>
> After flying in said first contest the most reasonable calls seemed to be
to
> call take off when the judges are ready and take off. Then climb out with
> pilots choice 180° turn or a procedure turn. After the 180° or 270° turns
> you would fly a 15 meter line and call "take off complete".
> On landings the pilot would call "commencing landing" as the plane was
> crossing the outer box markers and following the rule book fly either two
> 180° turns in Intermediate not passing the center pole or one 180° turn in
> all other classes.
>
> Since the 15 meter line rule is attached to every other maneuver we fly
why
> wouldn't...shouldn't it apply these maneuvers???
>
> Hope the Powers that Be get this cleared up
> Dowayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jim Ivey
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:23 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
>
> Larry
>  I don't see what is wrong or needs to be changed from the old way of ----
> calling take-off complete at the altitude of 6 ft or 2 meters. Or calling
> landing beginning at  6ft or 2 meters. Why confuse everybody with
something
> to do between takeoff complete and entry to the box and the exit box call
> and landing. It is the FAI procedure that requires the takeoff sequence..
We
> don't need a sequence.It wastes time and gives the judges more work,when
it
> has no function.
> It is simple, takeoff complete at 2 meters or 6ft and enter the box.  Exit
> box and landing beginning at 2 meters or 6ft.
> I don't understand how this got so confusing when it was so simple.
>
> Jim Ivey
> >
> > From: "Larry Diamond" <lld613 at psci.net>
> > Date: 2005/05/22 Sun PM 05:57:06 EDT
> > To: "NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
> >
> > I know there has been much discussion on this, but after CDing a contest
> > this weekend, I believe there needs to be a clear understanding of what
is
> > expected in two areas.
> >
> > 1) When to call "Take-Off complete / Landing commencing". When does it
> > need to be called? After exiting the Box for the last maneuver for
> Landing.
> > Prior to entering the box for the trim pass on Take-Off. This is what
> makes
> > sense to me from CDing a contest.
> >
> > 2) Is a Dead-Stick Landing a "Zero Landing"? At the beginning of our
> > contest I stated that we would not zero TO / L for calling. So we scored
> all
> > landings. However, if a dead-stick prevents completing the prescribed
> > maneuver, then a zero is really the most likely result at the NATS. I
> don't
> > believe this was intended.
> >
> > The Judging committee should really jump on this and get clarification
out
> > as quickly as possible for the "Official Judge Ruling" People are trying
> to
> > practice this and although seemingly easy on paper, the execution of
> calling
> > and judging properly does get a bit confusing...We need to make sure
> > everyone is practicing this correctly before the NATS or it will be a
> > potential area of concern for the CD's...
> >
> > Larry Diamond
> > NSRCA 3083
> >
> >
>
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