Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

Sun May 22 20:22:39 AKDT 2005

These days when Im leaving the pattern I find the other guy and get outta the way, usually by going low and coming inside the pattern.

Keith Black <tkeithb at comcast.net> wrote:
I've weighed in plenty on this subject so I'll leave it to Don to work this
out and I'll follow whatever rules are decided on.

However, I do have a VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY point to make.

Dowane, you stated: "...fly either two 180° turns in Intermediate not
passing the center pole or one 180° turn in all other classes."

I would STRONGLY advise against making the second 180° before passing the
center pole. This requires the Intermediate pilot to cut across the middle
of the pattern the other pilot is flying. I've seen two mid-airs occur from
this practice, one with an Intermediate pilot and a Masters pilot and one
with two FAI pilots at NATS (when the finishing pilot cut across to avoid
exiting the box). I know it's a low likelihood of a mid-air occurring, but
this quick cut across the middle unnecessarily raises the odds.

Keith Black

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dowane Gould" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

Mainly "because the rule book says so!"

After flying in said first contest the most reasonable calls seemed to be to
call take off when the judges are ready and take off. Then climb out with
pilots choice 180° turn or a procedure turn. After the 180° or 270° turns
you would fly a 15 meter line and call "take off complete".
On landings the pilot would call "commencing landing" as the plane was
crossing the outer box markers and following the rule book fly either two
180° turns in Intermediate not passing the center pole or one 180° turn in
all other classes.

Since the 15 meter line rule is attached to every other maneuver we fly why
wouldn't...shouldn't it apply these maneuvers???

Hope the Powers that Be get this cleared up
Dowayne

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:23 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

Larry
I don't see what is wrong or needs to be changed from the old way of ----
calling take-off complete at the altitude of 6 ft or 2 meters. Or calling
landing beginning at 6ft or 2 meters. Why confuse everybody with something
to do between takeoff complete and entry to the box and the exit box call
and landing. It is the FAI procedure that requires the takeoff sequence.. We
don't need a sequence.It wastes time and gives the judges more work,when it
has no function.
It is simple, takeoff complete at 2 meters or 6ft and enter the box. Exit
box and landing beginning at 2 meters or 6ft.
I don't understand how this got so confusing when it was so simple.

Jim Ivey
>
> From: "Larry Diamond" 
> Date: 2005/05/22 Sun PM 05:57:06 EDT
> To: "NSRCA" 
> Subject: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
>
> I know there has been much discussion on this, but after CDing a contest
> this weekend, I believe there needs to be a clear understanding of what is
> expected in two areas.
>
> 1) When to call "Take-Off complete / Landing commencing". When does it
> need to be called? After exiting the Box for the last maneuver for
Landing.
> Prior to entering the box for the trim pass on Take-Off. This is what
makes
> sense to me from CDing a contest.
>
> 2) Is a Dead-Stick Landing a "Zero Landing"? At the beginning of our
> contest I stated that we would not zero TO / L for calling. So we scored
all
> landings. However, if a dead-stick prevents completing the prescribed
> maneuver, then a zero is really the most likely result at the NATS. I
don't
> believe this was intended.
>
> The Judging committee should really jump on this and get clarification out
> as quickly as possible for the "Official Judge Ruling" People are trying
to
> practice this and although seemingly easy on paper, the execution of
calling
> and judging properly does get a bit confusing...We need to make sure
> everyone is practicing this correctly before the NATS or it will be a
> potential area of concern for the CD's...
>
> Larry Diamond
> NSRCA 3083
>
>

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