Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"

[Steven Maxwell]

  In the description it calls for T/O 90 degree turn and then another 90 or
270 but it goes on to say "when approximately at the downwind markers the
model initiates a180 degree turn, reversal or any other turnaround maneuver
of pilots choice" and that would be the end of the take off like Don Ramsey
posted you basically call complete followed by enter box, same with landing
exit box start landing, pasted below is his reply. Now my opinion is the
same as many others wish it was as in the past as the rule is now crash as
long as you follow all the requirements on landing and you get a 10 not
very precision to me.

The simple answer is call the takeoff complete when it is complete and that
is when the turnaround is done just before the call for "entering the box."
Call the landing when it begins and that is just after the last maneuver in
the sequence or after the plane is "out of the box" at the end of the
sequence.  You could call "exit the box, landing sequence".  The landing is
complete after the model has rolled 10 meters and is below flying speed. 
The question is, what is the downgrade if the calls are not made?  The only
downgrade is 10 points resulting is zero if this was the intent of the regs
(I'm almost certain this was not intended).  There are areas of the new
rules that seem to leave some area for wiggle here so I'll have something
official on this soon.
 
Don 


> [Original Message]
> From: Dowane Gould <iflyrc24 at columbus.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Date: 5/22/2005 5:57:41 PM
> Subject: RE: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
>
> Mainly "because the rule book says so!"
>
> After flying in said first contest the most reasonable calls seemed to be
to
> call take off when the judges are ready and take off. Then climb out with
> pilots choice 180° turn or a procedure turn. After the 180° or 270° turns
> you would fly a 15 meter line and call "take off complete".
> On landings the pilot would call "commencing landing" as the plane was
> crossing the outer box markers and following the rule book fly either two
> 180° turns in Intermediate not passing the center pole or one 180° turn in
> all other classes.
>
> Since the 15 meter line rule is attached to every other maneuver we fly
why
> wouldn't...shouldn't it apply these maneuvers???
>
> Hope the Powers that Be get this cleared up
> Dowayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On
> Behalf Of Jim Ivey
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:23 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
>
> Larry
>  I don't see what is wrong or needs to be changed from the old way of ----
> calling take-off complete at the altitude of 6 ft or 2 meters. Or calling
> landing beginning at  6ft or 2 meters. Why confuse everybody with
something
> to do between takeoff complete and entry to the box and the exit box call
> and landing. It is the FAI procedure that requires the takeoff sequence..
We
> don't need a sequence.It wastes time and gives the judges more work,when
it
> has no function. 
> It is simple, takeoff complete at 2 meters or 6ft and enter the box.  Exit
> box and landing beginning at 2 meters or 6ft.
> I don't understand how this got so confusing when it was so simple.
>
> Jim Ivey
> > 
> > From: "Larry Diamond" <lld613 at psci.net>
> > Date: 2005/05/22 Sun PM 05:57:06 EDT
> > To: "NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Take Off & Landing "Reality of a Contest"
> > 
> > I know there has been much discussion on this, but after CDing a contest
> > this weekend, I believe there needs to be a clear understanding of what
is
> > expected in two areas.
> > 
> > 1)	When to call "Take-Off complete / Landing commencing". When does it
> > need to be called? After exiting the Box for the last maneuver for
> Landing.
> > Prior to entering the box for the trim pass on Take-Off. This is what
> makes
> > sense to me from CDing a contest.
> > 
> > 2)	Is a Dead-Stick Landing a "Zero Landing"? At the beginning of our
> > contest I stated that we would not zero TO / L for calling. So we scored
> all
> > landings. However, if a dead-stick prevents completing the prescribed
> > maneuver, then a zero is really the most likely result at the NATS. I
> don't
> > believe this was intended.
> > 
> > The Judging committee should really jump on this and get clarification
out
> > as quickly as possible for the "Official Judge Ruling" People are trying
> to
> > practice this and although seemingly easy on paper, the execution of
> calling
> > and judging properly does get a bit confusing...We need to make sure
> > everyone is practicing this correctly before the NATS or it will be a
> > potential area of concern for the CD's...
> > 
> > Larry Diamond
> > NSRCA 3083
> > 
> > 
>
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