calling complete for new takeoff

[George Kennie]

All the arguments that you site are nothing more than standards that are meant to be applied to any given maneuver in an attempt to establish execution guideline specifics, and the more standards that can be established result in the ability to judge with greater criticality, thereby accomplishing greater scoring differential.
If we take the position that we desire to eliminate as many standards as possible regarding ANY specific maneuver (in this case take-off), then to where do we proceed from there?????? What maneuver do we attack next?
Precision is all about specifics and over the last 5 years, specifics have been bent, twisted, mangled, hidden, fractionalized, and all but obliterated by controlling individuals
hiding behind "the good of the sport",.......and yes there have been times when that probably included me!
In my opinion, the rule book of 5 years ago was extremely accurate in it's maneuver descriptions, but we, as precision pilots, while we may have achieved fantastic proficiency at our craft, I fear that many of us have come up short in our ability to interpret the English language, as regards the rulebook.
Grading the TO & L are really not difficult issues and yes there are skills involved
in the proper execution thereof and therefore should be scored.
Georgie

Ron Van Putte wrote:

> On May 16, 2005, at 8:52 AM, Grow Pattern wrote:
>
>      The FAI system is a take-off procedure and landing procedure. They also use a time-to-do-the-schedule system. They changed over to the 0  or 10 system to prevent hot-dogging, time-wasting and maneuver practicing during a contest.
>
>      Did we have that problem? What was broken??
>
> How short our memory gets at times. Apparently nobody can remember what it was like when Takeoff and Landing were scored 0 to 10. Doesn't anyone remember the time spent making sure that the airplane wasn't rolling before announcing takeoff? I remember using cigarette butts in front of wheels to prevent an airplane's rolling on smooth pavement. Doesn't anyone remember the arguments between judges about giving a 0 because a caller released the airplane and grabbed it again for any reason? Doesn't anyone remember carrying the airplane way down the runway to make sure there was enough takeoff roll, so the airplane could takeoff right in front of the judges? Doesn't anyone remember the arguments on whether climb outs after takeoff had to be less than a certain angle? Doesn't anyone remember the interminable discussions during the Pilots' Meeting on local field condition's effects on how the two maneuvers were to be judged? Doesn't anyone remember the arguments whether a plane landed
> within the 100 foot landing zone, usually because very few fields had the landing zone marked? Doesn't anyone remember all the time wasted on just getting the airplane off the ground and back on the ground within the rules that existed?
>
> I personally would like to see the takeoff and landing graded, it we could figure out how to do it without all the clarifying baggage and time wasted. I don't see a way to do it.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From:Don Ramsey
>           To:discussion at nsrca.org
>           Sent:Monday, May 16, 2005 9:10 AM
>           Subject:calling complete for new takeoff
>
>           The simple answer is call the takeoff complete when it is complete and that is when the turnaround is done just before the call for "entering the box."  Call the landing when it begins and that is just after the last maneuver in the sequence or after the plane is "out of the box" at the end of the sequence.  You could call "exit the box, landing sequence".  The landing is complete after the model has rolled 10 meters and is below flying speed.  The question is, what is the downgrade if the calls are not made?  The only downgrade is 10 points resulting is zero if this was the intent of the regs (I'm almost certain this was not intended).  There are areas of the new rules that seem to leave some area for wiggle here so I'll have something official on this soon.
>
>           Don
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>
>                From:Steven Maxwell
>                To:discussion at nsrca.org
>                Sent:Monday, May 16, 2005 2:17 AM
>                Subject:Re: calling complete for new takeoff
>
>                The main question came from a new sportsman pilot that will be atending his first contest next weekend, he helped scribe last year at the D4 D5 shootout and knows how it was done last year, it's a real simple question and theres not an answer to it yet.
>                 When does he call complete for takeoff?
>                 When does he call start for the landing?
>
>                 Steve Maxwell
>




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