calling complete for new takeoff

[John Ferrell]

I like the new T&L rule. I believe the box calls are no longer of any value, remember the childhood games of "Mother may I?" and "Simon says?".

The end run to pass the rule is what is under debate. I cannot fault those who did it because they are the ones granted the power. If the Contest Board members are really up to the assigned task, why are they not conducting the survey?

John Ferrell    
http://DixieNC.US

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Derek Koopowitz 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org ; discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


  As usual... we always blame someone else.  No one seems to be willing to sit up and say "I was President and I'll take the blame because it happened on my watch".  Typical.


  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Grow Pattern 
  Sent: May 16, 2005 6:45 AM 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff 


  I agree that all AMA members have these rights, But when the contest board chairman, The NSRCA president-elect and the NSRCA vice president at that time, submit a proposal in direct opposition to the majority of the NSRCA, 

  It does pose the question of why did we bother to do the work and find out what the NSRCA membership wanted. 

  Eric. 




  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gordon Anderson 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:57 AM
    Subject: RE: calling complete for new takeoff


    My point is the procedure does not involve the NSRCA, go to the AMA web site and download document 333.pdf, its the rule change proposal form. Its signed by three AMA members one of whom must be a CD. The NSRCA is a special interest group not a ruling body. The process is a right that every AMA member has regardless of ones affiliation with a SIG. It is unreasonable to expect an AMA member to give up his/her rights when they join a SIG. 

    --Gordon



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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Wincons at aol.com
    Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:32 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


    In a message dated 5/16/2005 12:05:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GAA at owt.com writes:
      Individuals submit rule change proposals not the NSRCA. The NSRCA board has no special power in this process, at least not in the version of the rule book I'm looking at.

      --Gordon
    These rules were written BEFORE the NSRCA was recognized as the official SIG for pattern, I believe.  It is in our best interests to act together, in concert, which is why we formed the NSRCA.  And why we all belong.  It's kinda like being a citizen; we enjoy the protection of the Union, and are obligated to work with the majority.  Being an NSRCA member includes an implied responsibility to cooperate with the majority opinions democratically arrived at. This way, we can provide the best possible guidance to the AMA Contest Board in maintaining our sport, to betterment of the greatest number.

    Brian Clemmons

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