calling complete for new takeoff

[Grow Pattern]

Keith,
         I wish I had said this the way you did. 

I am still astonished that the Chairman of the AMA contest board submitted his own proposals to his own board. They all passed BTW.  I think that the AMA is remiss in not producing much better guidelines for contest boards.

As regards AMA contest board selection. It is done by the AMA district VP.  It might be more effective if we were administratively aligned with the AMA districts, but in the case of John Fuqua, Tony is his AMA DVP. so that's probably a lost cause.

Lets just face the facts, if you don't live in Florida you don't know diddly about pattern... Just move on ;-)


Eric. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Black 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:05 AM
  Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


  It is true Gordon that an AMA member isn't required to give up their rights when they join the SIG, but you have to admit it does seem a bit improper when the NSRCA members overwhelmingly vote in favor keeping scored takeoffs and landings and the NSRCA President and Vice President co-sign a proposal that goes directly against what the membership they represent wants. Don't you think your top officers have a moral obligation to represent the SIG that voted them into office?

  Then the contest board members play a silly game of, "But I represent my AMA district, not the NSRCA".  As IF they didn't really know what the majority of active pattern fliers wanted.

  It's clear to everyone in the NSRCA that knows anything about the Rules Survey fiasco that the majority of the contest board doesn't care what *we* want. It's the ole' game of who knows whom and "we know what's best for you".

  On top of this we as AMA members don't even get to vote for the Contest Board members! Give me a break!

  Until there are major changes in the way this process works the best we can hope for is turn-over in the contest board and hopefully some of the new members will have a conscious and do what they know the pattern fliers want. BTW, I believe there are some contest board members that are already this way, we just need more of those types. But hey, when the SIG's own Pres. and VP don't care what the SIG members want, how can we expect the contest board members to?

  Keith

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Gordon Anderson 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 12:57 AM
    Subject: RE: calling complete for new takeoff


    My point is the procedure does not involve the NSRCA, go to the AMA web site and download document 333.pdf, its the rule change proposal form. Its signed by three AMA members one of whom must be a CD. The NSRCA is a special interest group not a ruling body. The process is a right that every AMA member has regardless of ones affiliation with a SIG. It is unreasonable to expect an AMA member to give up his/her rights when they join a SIG. 

    --Gordon



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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Wincons at aol.com
    Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:32 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: calling complete for new takeoff


    In a message dated 5/16/2005 12:05:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, GAA at owt.com writes:
      Individuals submit rule change proposals not the NSRCA. The NSRCA board has no special power in this process, at least not in the version of the rule book I'm looking at.

      --Gordon
    These rules were written BEFORE the NSRCA was recognized as the official SIG for pattern, I believe.  It is in our best interests to act together, in concert, which is why we formed the NSRCA.  And why we all belong.  It's kinda like being a citizen; we enjoy the protection of the Union, and are obligated to work with the majority.  Being an NSRCA member includes an implied responsibility to cooperate with the majority opinions democratically arrived at. This way, we can provide the best possible guidance to the AMA Contest Board in maintaining our sport, to betterment of the greatest number.

    Brian Clemmons
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