Geensea Contest
Bill Glaze
billglaze at triad.rr.com
Thu Mar 10 15:16:06 AKST 2005
randy:
Carolina Inn--the phone number is on the flyer. I've booked on the
ground floor; Steve, Gary and Lee are staying on the upper floor. they
needed a smoking room. (Nasty Habit!)
Bill Glaze
Randy wrote:
> which motel - Y'all staying at?
>
> Randy
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Geensea Contest
>
>
>> Just got the word from the Motel that they have reservations for Gary
>> Harris, Steve Wall, Lee Davis, and some others whose names the room
>> clerk couldn't find at the time. Looks as if it's possible that
>> John Ferrell will maybe be there too; hoping so. Buff will be really
>> excited about all the D1 folks showing up; maybe, (just maybe) one
>> of these days we can make it a D1 vs. D2 shootout. I understand that
>> Earl will definitely be there.
>> Bill
>>
>> Grow Pattern wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> Michelle and I will come with or without any practice.
>>> There's room in the SUV for golf bags and a plane or two.
>>>
>>> The BBQ was so good last year that I would show up and just do
>>> contest work to get some more of it!
>>>
>>> The field is wide open in both directions with trees way out at the
>>> far edge of a full-size private runway. It will be like a D-1
>>> meeting if we all show up! I'm sure that Buff Miller and Bill will
>>> be pleased to see us all.
>>>
>>> The "Duke" uses this as his home field and I heard that he was
>>> getting a bit lonely :-) Andy Miller is also rumored to be local as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Eric.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Glaze"
>>> <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA
>>> points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give
>>>> you all the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we
>>>> haven't been shot in the butt with flying time either. Been about
>>>> 3 weeks since I've been out. Presently the temps are in the low
>>>> 40's, but they warm up fast to "livable" on the temp scale.
>>>> As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the
>>>> world ever finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't
>>>> even be able to get close enough to it to get in line.......I told
>>>> Buff Miller at the last BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ,
>>>> if a contest breaks out, that'll be O.K. too."
>>>>
>>>> Bill Glaze
>>>>
>>>> Rick Wallace wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ...
>>>>> but without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq
>>>>> might not be worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Wallace
>>>>>
>>>>> >From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> >Reply-To:
>>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >To: discussion at nsrca.org >Subject: Re:
>>>>> [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules
>>>>> Changes----Advancement >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed:
>>>>> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd.
>>>>> >Bring your suntan lotion!<G> Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah
>>>>> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get
>>>>> the weather to break. About ready to hang myself from the
>>>>> >>workbench rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra. Gotta go
>>>>> make >>some more greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs to do their
>>>>> part! Ed >> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rick wallace
>>>>> <mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com> >> To: geobet at gis.net
>>>>> <mailto:geobet at gis.net> ; >>discussion at nsrca.org >>
>>>>> <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09,
>>>>> 2005 11:49 PM >> Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points /
>>>>> WAS RE: Rules >> Changes----Advancement >> >> Georgie --
>>>>> >> >> Hmmmm... the only classes where AMA points counting matters
>>>>> >>are
>>>>> >> Intermediate and Advanced. I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >>
>>>>> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm
>>>>> >> missing something... >> >> >> >> I've been keeping the D1
>>>>> champs points for the last three >>years, >> and as of 2004 I
>>>>> started tracking all finishing places for all >> classes for
>>>>> all D1 contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >> I
>>>>> also kept my own points count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced,
>>>>> >> and moved up only when I pointed out of each class - and
>>>>> yes, >>that
>>>>> >> meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning the 2003
>>>>> Advanced >> district championship (and NOT repeating as champ,
>>>>> thank you very
>>>>> >> much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >>
>>>>> I >> kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making
>>>>> them >> >> available to the District via our web page, but I
>>>>> DON"T particularly >> want to be the district watchdog for
>>>>> counting all the >> AMA >> points for all our pilots. >>
>>>>> >> -- Have you
>>>>> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >> Intermediate and
>>>>> Advanced (the only places where it really >> counts)? In the 5
>>>>> years I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >> have. In
>>>>> fact the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >>
>>>>> compete a lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up
>>>>> >> within a year or two. >> >> -- I suspect that, as MattK
>>>>> pointed out a couple days ago, the >> advent of the 4 year
>>>>> life /duration of AMA points effective >>this >> year, points
>>>>> will be even less of an issue for the casual >> Intermediate
>>>>> / Advanced guy. >> >> -- I can't believe that a guy can build
>>>>> / assemble / fly / >> maintain a competitive 2meter pattern
>>>>> plane and be incapable >>of
>>>>> >> keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >> I'll be happy to
>>>>> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >> Intermediate or
>>>>> Advanced guy who doesn't understand what the >> system's about
>>>>> or how to keep points, and will gladly discuss >> (OFFLINE /
>>>>> OFFLIST) specifics with anyone who wants to me to >>
>>>>> investigate whether one of our guys is homesteading in a >>class.
>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> But I really am not in favor of activating a system to >>
>>>>> scrutinize >> all 39 (last year's count of total faces that
>>>>> flew in at least >>1
>>>>> >> D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate
>>>>> and >> Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's
>>>>> focus on >> >> having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with
>>>>> suspected >> exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at
>>>>> all with >>talking to >> individuals about how this part of
>>>>> the system works. >> >> >> >> Thanks for listening - >> >> >>
>>>>> >> Anyone know a 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get
>>>>> some >> PRACTICE weather here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >>
>>>>> Rick >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:
>>>>> discussion-request at nsrca.org >>
>>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George >>Kennie
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM >> To:
>>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >> Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>>>> >> >> >> >> I think that if the district CD's were required to
>>>>> include the >> placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the
>>>>> first 3 places, >>but >> everyone in the class) in every class
>>>>> when submitting contest >> reports to the DVP for inclusion in
>>>>> the K-Factor, then it >>should >> be a relatively simple task
>>>>> to keep track of accrued totals >>for >> the season, at the
>>>>> end of which it could be reported in the >> K-Factor exactly
>>>>> who had pointed out in each class.The DVP's >> responsibility
>>>>> could be considered fulfilled at that point and >> have no
>>>>> further requirement to mandate any advancement demands >>on >>
>>>>> the individuals involved as their peer group would, in all >>
>>>>> probability, implement that role. >> Watcha think??? No good?????
>>>>> >> G. >> P.S. If the CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing
>>>>> to do the >>math >> for D1.
>>>>> >> >> Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I guess I'm going to
>>>>> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>> of this has
>>>>> never really made sense to me. I was never able >>>to >>>
>>>>> console myself from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that
>>>>> >>> guy that beat me really should have already moved up."
>>>>> Nor did >>> I
>>>>> >>> feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after
>>>>> finishing >>> >>> 2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly
>>>>> finishing 1st >>>because >>> that person was flying a higher
>>>>> class. >>> >>> I will say this though...regardless of what
>>>>> "rule" WILL be in >>> place...there are rules in place now.
>>>>> There should be a >>> discussion along side this thread about
>>>>> enforcement. I think >>>I'm >>> a proponent of NO rule, simply
>>>>> because that's effectively >>>what we >>> have in practice today.
>>>>> >>> >>> We have only a small handful of scoring systems in
>>>>> place, all >>>of
>>>>> >>> which could produce a simple extract file with
>>>>> participants/AMA >>> >>> #/Class/placing, etc...that could be
>>>>> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>> for import into a central
>>>>> database. I know...I'm not >>> volunteering either...Lol. >>>
>>>>> >>> -Mark >>> >> >>
>>>>
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