Geensea Contest
Randy
randy10926 at comcast.net
Thu Mar 10 13:56:32 AKST 2005
which motel - Y'all staying at?
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Geensea Contest
> Just got the word from the Motel that they have reservations for Gary
> Harris, Steve Wall, Lee Davis, and some others whose names the room clerk
> couldn't find at the time. Looks as if it's possible that John Ferrell
> will maybe be there too; hoping so. Buff will be really excited about all
> the D1 folks showing up; maybe, (just maybe) one of these days we can
> make it a D1 vs. D2 shootout. I understand that Earl will definitely be
> there.
> Bill
>
> Grow Pattern wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> Michelle and I will come with or without any practice. There's
>> room in the SUV for golf bags and a plane or two.
>>
>> The BBQ was so good last year that I would show up and just do contest
>> work to get some more of it!
>>
>> The field is wide open in both directions with trees way out at the far
>> edge of a full-size private runway. It will be like a D-1 meeting if we
>> all show up! I'm sure that Buff Miller and Bill will be pleased to see us
>> all.
>>
>> The "Duke" uses this as his home field and I heard that he was getting a
>> bit lonely :-) Andy Miller is also rumored to be local as well.
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points /
>> WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>
>>
>>> Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give you
>>> all the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we haven't
>>> been shot in the butt with flying time either. Been about 3 weeks since
>>> I've been out. Presently the temps are in the low 40's, but they warm
>>> up fast to "livable" on the temp scale.
>>> As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the world
>>> ever finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't even be able
>>> to get close enough to it to get in line.......I told Buff Miller at the
>>> last BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ, if a contest breaks
>>> out, that'll be O.K. too."
>>>
>>> Bill Glaze
>>>
>>> Rick Wallace wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ... but
>>>> without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq might not
>>>> be worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Wallace
>>>>
>>>> >From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> >Reply-To:
>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >To: discussion at nsrca.org >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re:
>>>> [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules
>>>> Changes----Advancement >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed:
>>>> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd.
>>>> >Bring your suntan lotion!<G> Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah
>>>> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get the
>>>> weather to break. About ready to hang myself from the
>>>> >>workbench rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra. Gotta go make
>>>> >>some more greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs to do their part! Ed
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rick wallace
>>>> <mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com> >> To: geobet at gis.net
>>>> <mailto:geobet at gis.net> ; >>discussion at nsrca.org >>
>>>> <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005
>>>> 11:49 PM >> Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE:
>>>> Rules >> Changes----Advancement >> >> Georgie -- >> >> Hmmmm...
>>>> the only classes where AMA points counting matters >>are
>>>> >> Intermediate and Advanced. I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >>
>>>> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm
>>>> >> missing something... >> >> >> >> I've been keeping the D1
>>>> champs points for the last three >>years, >> and as of 2004 I
>>>> started tracking all finishing places for all >> classes for all D1
>>>> contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >> I also kept my
>>>> own points count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced, >> and moved up
>>>> only when I pointed out of each class - and yes, >>that
>>>> >> meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced
>>>> >> district championship (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you very
>>>> >> much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >>
>>>> I >> kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them
>>>> >> >> available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T
>>>> particularly >> want to be the district watchdog for counting all the
>>>> >> AMA >> points for all our pilots. >> >> -- Have you
>>>> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >> Intermediate and
>>>> Advanced (the only places where it really >> counts)? In the 5
>>>> years I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >> have. In fact
>>>> the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >> compete a
>>>> lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up
>>>> >> within a year or two. >> >> -- I suspect that, as MattK
>>>> pointed out a couple days ago, the >> advent of the 4 year life
>>>> /duration of AMA points effective >>this >> year, points will be
>>>> even less of an issue for the casual >> Intermediate / Advanced
>>>> guy. >> >> -- I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly
>>>> / >> maintain a competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable
>>>> >>of
>>>> >> keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >> I'll be happy to
>>>> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >> Intermediate or Advanced
>>>> guy who doesn't understand what the >> system's about or how to
>>>> keep points, and will gladly discuss >> (OFFLINE / OFFLIST)
>>>> specifics with anyone who wants to me to >> investigate whether one
>>>> of our guys is homesteading in a >>class. >> >> >>
>>>> >> But I really am not in favor of activating a system to
>>>> >> scrutinize >> all 39 (last year's count of total faces that
>>>> flew in at least >>1
>>>> >> D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate
>>>> and >> Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus
>>>> on >> >> having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with
>>>> suspected >> exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all
>>>> with >>talking to >> individuals about how this part of the system
>>>> works. >> >> >> >> Thanks for listening - >> >> >>
>>>> >> Anyone know a 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some
>>>> >> PRACTICE weather here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >>
>>>> Rick >> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:
>>>> discussion-request at nsrca.org >>
>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George >>Kennie
>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM >> To:
>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >> Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>>> >> >> >> >> I think that if the district CD's were required to
>>>> include the >> placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3
>>>> places, >>but >> everyone in the class) in every class when
>>>> submitting contest >> reports to the DVP for inclusion in the
>>>> K-Factor, then it >>should >> be a relatively simple task to keep
>>>> track of accrued totals >>for >> the season, at the end of which it
>>>> could be reported in the >> K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in
>>>> each class.The DVP's >> responsibility could be considered
>>>> fulfilled at that point and >> have no further requirement to
>>>> mandate any advancement demands >>on >> the individuals involved as
>>>> their peer group would, in all >> probability, implement that role.
>>>> >> Watcha think??? No good?????
>>>> >> G. >> P.S. If the CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing
>>>> to do the >>math >> for D1.
>>>> >> >> Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I guess I'm going to
>>>> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>> of this has
>>>> never really made sense to me. I was never able >>>to >>> console
>>>> myself from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that
>>>> >>> guy that beat me really should have already moved up." Nor did
>>>> >>> I
>>>> >>> feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after
>>>> finishing >>> >>> 2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly
>>>> finishing 1st >>>because >>> that person was flying a higher class.
>>>> >>> >>> I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" WILL be
>>>> in >>> place...there are rules in place now. There should be a
>>>> >>> discussion along side this thread about enforcement. I think
>>>> >>>I'm >>> a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's effectively
>>>> >>>what we >>> have in practice today.
>>>> >>> >>> We have only a small handful of scoring systems in
>>>> place, all >>>of
>>>> >>> which could produce a simple extract file with
>>>> participants/AMA >>> >>> #/Class/placing, etc...that could be
>>>> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>> for import into a central
>>>> database. I know...I'm not >>> volunteering either...Lol. >>>
>>>> >>> -Mark >>> >> >>
>>>
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