Geensea Contest

Randy randy10926 at comcast.net
Thu Mar 10 13:56:32 AKST 2005


which motel - Y'all staying at?

Randy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Geensea Contest


> Just got the word from the Motel that they have reservations for Gary 
> Harris, Steve Wall, Lee Davis, and some others whose names the room clerk 
> couldn't find at the time.  Looks as if it's possible  that John Ferrell 
> will maybe be there too; hoping so.  Buff will be really excited about all 
> the D1 folks showing up;   maybe, (just maybe) one of these days we can 
> make it a D1 vs. D2 shootout.  I understand that Earl will definitely be 
> there.
> Bill
>
> Grow Pattern wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>         Michelle and I will come with or without any practice. There's 
>> room in the SUV for golf bags and a plane or two.
>>
>> The BBQ was so good last year that I would show up and just do contest 
>> work to get some more of it!
>>
>> The field is wide open in both directions with trees way out at the far 
>> edge of a full-size private runway.  It will be like a D-1 meeting if we 
>> all show up! I'm sure that Buff Miller and Bill will be pleased to see us 
>> all.
>>
>> The "Duke" uses this as his home field and I heard that he was getting a 
>> bit lonely  :-) Andy Miller is also rumored to be local as well.
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at triad.rr.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / 
>> WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>
>>
>>> Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give you 
>>> all the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we haven't 
>>> been shot in the butt with flying time either.  Been about 3 weeks since 
>>> I've been out.  Presently the temps are in the low 40's, but they warm 
>>> up fast to "livable" on the temp scale.
>>> As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the world 
>>> ever finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't even be able 
>>> to get close enough to it to get in line.......I told Buff Miller at the 
>>> last BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ, if a contest breaks 
>>> out, that'll be O.K. too."
>>>
>>> Bill Glaze
>>>
>>> Rick Wallace wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ... but 
>>>> without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq might not 
>>>> be worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Wallace
>>>>
>>>> >From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> >Reply-To:
>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >To: discussion at nsrca.org >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: 
>>>> [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules 
>>>> Changes----Advancement  >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed:
>>>> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd. 
>>>> >Bring your suntan lotion!<G>  Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah
>>>> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get the 
>>>> weather to break.  About ready to hang myself from the
>>>> >>workbench rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra.   Gotta go make 
>>>> >>some more greenhouse gases now.  EVERYONE needs to do their part! Ed 
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>     ----- Original Message ----- >>     From: rick wallace
>>>> <mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com> >>     To: geobet at gis.net 
>>>> <mailto:geobet at gis.net> ; >>discussion at nsrca.org >> 
>>>> <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> >>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 
>>>> 11:49 PM >>     Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: 
>>>> Rules >>     Changes----Advancement >> >>     Georgie -- >> >> Hmmmm... 
>>>> the only classes where AMA points counting matters >>are
>>>> >>     Intermediate and Advanced.  I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >>
>>>> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm
>>>> >>     missing something... >> >> >> >>     I've been keeping the D1
>>>> champs points for the last three >>years, >>     and as of 2004 I 
>>>> started tracking all finishing places for all >>     classes for all D1 
>>>> contests. (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >>     I also kept my 
>>>> own points count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced, >>     and moved up 
>>>> only when I pointed out of each class - and yes, >>that
>>>> >>     meant flying Advanced in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced 
>>>> >> district championship (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you very
>>>> >>     much, Ed! <g>) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >>
>>>> I >> kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them 
>>>>  >> >> available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T 
>>>> particularly >> want to be the district watchdog for counting all the 
>>>>  >>     AMA >> points for all our pilots. >> >>      -- Have you
>>>> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >>     Intermediate and 
>>>> Advanced (the only places where it really >>     counts)? In the 5 
>>>> years I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >>     have. In fact 
>>>> the results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >>     compete a 
>>>> lot and finish in the top of the class a lot move up
>>>> >>     within a year or two. >> >>     -- I suspect that, as MattK
>>>> pointed out a couple days ago, the >>     advent of the 4 year life 
>>>> /duration of AMA points effective  >>this >>     year, points will be 
>>>> even less of an issue for the casual  >>     Intermediate  / Advanced 
>>>> guy. >> >>     -- I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly 
>>>> / >>     maintain a competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable 
>>>>  >>of
>>>> >>     keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >>     I'll be happy to
>>>> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >>     Intermediate or Advanced 
>>>> guy who doesn't understand what the >>     system's about or how to 
>>>> keep points, and will gladly discuss >>     (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) 
>>>> specifics with anyone who wants to me to >>     investigate whether one 
>>>> of our guys is homesteading in a >>class. >> >> >>
>>>> >>     But I really am not in favor of activating a system to 
>>>> >> scrutinize >>     all 39 (last year's count of total faces that
>>>> flew in at least >>1
>>>> >>     D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate
>>>> and >> Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus 
>>>> on >> >> having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with
>>>> suspected >>     exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all 
>>>> with  >>talking to >>     individuals about how this part of the system 
>>>> works.  >> >> >> >>     Thanks for listening - >> >> >>
>>>> >>     Anyone know a 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some 
>>>> >> PRACTICE weather here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >>
>>>> Rick >> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>     -----Original Message----- >>     From:
>>>> discussion-request at nsrca.org >> 
>>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of George >>Kennie
>>>> >>     Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM >>     To:
>>>> discussion at nsrca.org >>     Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement
>>>> >> >> >> >>     I think that if the district CD's were required to
>>>> include the >>     placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 
>>>> places, >>but >>     everyone in the class) in every class when 
>>>> submitting contest >>     reports to the DVP for inclusion in the 
>>>> K-Factor, then it >>should >>     be a relatively simple task to keep 
>>>> track of accrued totals >>for >>     the season, at the end of which it 
>>>> could be reported in the >>     K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in 
>>>> each class.The DVP's >>     responsibility could be considered 
>>>> fulfilled at that point and >>     have no further requirement to 
>>>> mandate any advancement demands >>on >>     the individuals involved as 
>>>> their peer group would, in all >>     probability, implement that role. 
>>>>  >> Watcha think??? No good?????
>>>> >>     G. >>     P.S. If the CD's will commit to it, I'd be willing
>>>> to do the >>math >>     for D1.
>>>> >> >>     Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>     I guess I'm going to
>>>> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>>     of this has 
>>>> never really made sense to me.  I was never able >>>to >>>     console 
>>>> myself from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that
>>>> >>>     guy that beat me really should have already moved up."  Nor did 
>>>> >>> I
>>>> >>>     feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after
>>>> finishing >>>  >>>     2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly
>>>> finishing 1st >>>because >>>     that person was flying a higher class. 
>>>>  >>> >>>     I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" WILL be 
>>>> in  >>>     place...there are rules in place now.  There should be a 
>>>>  >>> discussion along side this thread about enforcement.  I think 
>>>>  >>>I'm >>> a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's effectively 
>>>>  >>>what we >>> have in practice today.
>>>> >>> >>>     We have only a small handful of scoring systems in
>>>> place, all >>>of
>>>> >>>     which could produce a simple extract file with
>>>> participants/AMA >>>  >>>     #/Class/placing, etc...that could be
>>>> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>>     for import into a central 
>>>> database. I know...I'm not >>>     volunteering either...Lol. >>>
>>>> >>>     -Mark >>> >> >>
>>>
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