[SPAM] Re: Geensea Contest

Thu Mar 10 10:46:30 AKST 2005

I plan on coming down to the contest.  May bring another flier or two from the DC area down with me.  Kima is looking forward to seeing her contest people.

Randy Hatfield

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> Bill, 
> Michelle and I will come with or without any practice. There's room 
> in the SUV for golf bags and a plane or two. 
> 
> The BBQ was so good last year that I would show up and just do contest work 
> to get some more of it! 
> 
> The field is wide open in both directions with trees way out at the far edge 
> of a full-size private runway. It will be like a D-1 meeting if we all show 
> up! I'm sure that Buff Miller and Bill will be pleased to see us all. 
> 
> The "Duke" uses this as his home field and I heard that he was getting a bit 
> lonely :-) Andy Miller is also rumored to be local as well. 
> 
> Eric. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Glaze" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:46 PM 
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS 
> RE: Rules Changes----Advancement 
> 
> 
> > Eric's planning on being here--get down here on Friday; we'll give you all 
> > the sky youse guys need for practice....and remember, we haven't been shot 
> > in the butt with flying time either. Been about 3 weeks since I've been 
> > out. Presently the temps are in the low 40's, but they warm up fast to 
> > "livable" on the temp scale. 
> > As far as the BBQ, the Smiths are doing it; if the rest of the world ever 
> > finds out about how good it is, the R/C pilots won't even be able to get 
> > close enough to it to get in line.......I told Buff Miller at the last 
> > BARKS meet, to "just go ahead with the BBQ, if a contest breaks out, 
> > that'll be O.K. too." 
> > 
> > Bill Glaze 
> > 
> > Rick Wallace wrote: 
> > 
> >> Bill - we're planning to - Ed, me, maybe Anthony, maybe more-- ... but 
> >> without at least a practice day or two, it the beer and bbq might not be 
> >> worth the gas to get there... or maybe it will be anyway. 
> >> 
> >> Rick Wallace 
> >> 
> >> >From: Bill Glaze >Reply-To: 
> >> discussion at nsrca.org >To: discussion at nsrca.org >Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: 
> >> [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: Rules Changes----Advancement 
> >> >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:30:45 -0500 > >Ed: 
> >> >Come on down here to the contest at Green Sea on the 2nd and 3rd. 
> >> >Bring your suntan lotion! Bill Glaze > >Ed Alt wrote: > >>Yeah 
> >> Rick, I wish I knew what kind of Spring rain dance to do to >>get the 
> >> weather to break. About ready to hang myself from the >>workbench 
> >> rafters here in the Northern NJ tundra. Gotta go make >>some more 
> >> greenhouse gases now. EVERYONE needs to do their part! >> Ed >> 
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rick wallace 
> >> >> To: geobet at gis.net 
> >> ; >>discussion at nsrca.org >> 
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 
> >> 11:49 PM >> Subject: [SPAM] Counting others' AMA points / WAS RE: 
> >> Rules >> Changes----Advancement >> >> Georgie -- >> >> 
> >> Hmmmm... the only classes where AMA points counting matters >>are 
> >> >> Intermediate and Advanced. I'm seeing 'points abuse' / >> 
> >> homesteading in a class as a non-issue, at least in D1. Maybe >>I'm 
> >> >> missing something... >> >> >> >> I've been keeping the D1 
> >> champs points for the last three >>years, >> and as of 2004 I started 
> >> tracking all finishing places for all >> classes for all D1 contests. 
> >> (great idea, Scott! Thanks) >> >> >> >> I also kept my own points 
> >> count thru Intermediate and >>Advanced, >> and moved up only when I 
> >> pointed out of each class - and yes, >>that >> meant flying Advanced 
> >> in 2004 after winning the 2003 Advanced >> district championship 
> >> (and NOT repeating as champ, thank you >>very 
> >> >> much, Ed! ) - because I wasn't ready to move up. >> >> >> I 
> >> >> kind of enjoy keeping the District champs stats, and making them >> 
> >> >> available to the District via our web page, but I DON"T particularly 
> >> >> want to be the district watchdog for counting all the >> AMA 
> >> >> points for all our pilots. >> >> -- Have you 
> >> seen any evidence of 'points abuse' in D1 >> Intermediate and 
> >> Advanced (the only places where it really >> counts)? In the 5 years 
> >> I've been flying pattern I don't think >>I >> have. In fact the 
> >> results seem to indicate the opposite- Guys >>that >> compete a lot 
> >> and finish in the top of the class a lot move up >> within a year or 
> >> two. >> >> -- I suspect that, as MattK pointed out a couple days ago, 
> >> the >> advent of the 4 year life /duration of AMA points effective 
> >> >>this >> year, points will be even less of an issue for the casual 
> >> >> Intermediate / Advanced guy. >> >> -- 
> >> I can't believe that a guy can build / assemble / fly / >> maintain a 
> >> competitive 2meter pattern plane and be incapable >>of 
> >> >> keeping his own points count. >> >> >> >> I'll be happy to 
> >> discuss AMA points counts with any D1 >> Intermediate or Advanced guy 
> >> who doesn't understand what the >> system's about or how to keep 
> >> points, and will gladly discuss >> (OFFLINE / OFFLIST) specifics with 
> >> anyone who wants to me to >> investigate whether one of our guys is 
> >> homesteading in a >>class. >> >> >> >> But I really am not in favor 
> >> of activating a system to >>scrutinize >> all 39 (last year's count 
> >> of total faces that flew in at least >>1 
> >> >> D1 contest in Intermediate / Advanced) of our Intermediate and 
> >> >> Advanced pilots in hopes of catching a sandbagger. Let's focus on >> 
> >> >> having FUN with our toy airplanes -- and deal with 
> >> suspected >> exceptions as exceptions. I have no problem at all with 
> >> >>talking to >> individuals about how this part of the system works. 
> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for listening - >> >> >> >> Anyone know a 
> >> 'no-snow / no-wind' dance we can do to get some >> PRACTICE weather 
> >> here in the Northeast??? >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 
> >> discussion-request at nsrca.org >> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] 
> >> On Behalf Of George >>Kennie 
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:29 PM >> To: 
> >> discussion at nsrca.org >> Subject: Re: Rules Changes----Advancement 
> >> >> >> >> >> I think that if the district CD's were required to 
> >> include the >> placement of "ALL" competitors(not just the first 3 
> >> places, >>but >> everyone in the class) in every class when 
> >> submitting contest >> reports to the DVP for inclusion in the 
> >> K-Factor, then it >>should >> be a relatively simple task to keep 
> >> track of accrued totals >>for >> the season, at the end of which it 
> >> could be reported in the >> K-Factor exactly who had pointed out in 
> >> each class.The DVP's >> responsibility could be considered fulfilled 
> >> at that point and >> have no further requirement to mandate any 
> >> advancement demands >>on >> the individuals involved as their peer 
> >> group would, in all >> probability, implement that role. >> 
> >> Watcha think??? No good????? >> G. >> P.S. If the CD's will 
> >> commit to it, I'd be willing to do the >>math >> for D1. 
> >> >> >> Atwood, Mark wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I guess I'm going to 
> >> recuse myself from this discussion as a >>>lot >>> of this has never 
> >> really made sense to me. I was never able >>>to >>> console myself 
> >> from losing a contest by >>>thinking..."hmmm...that >>> guy that beat 
> >> me really should have already moved up." Nor >>>did I 
> >> >>> feel any tremendous since of accomplishment when after finishing 
> >> >>> >>> 2nd all year to someone...I was suddenly 
> >> finishing 1st >>>because >>> that person was flying a higher class. 
> >> >>> >>> I will say this though...regardless of what "rule" WILL be in 
> >> >>> place...there are rules in place now. There should be a >>> 
> >> discussion along side this thread about enforcement. I think >>>I'm >>> 
> >> a proponent of NO rule, simply because that's effectively >>>what we >>> 
> >> have in practice today. >>> >>> We have only a small handful of 
> >> scoring systems in place, all >>>of 
> >> >>> which could produce a simple extract file with participants/AMA 
> >> >>> >>> #/Class/placing, etc...that could be 
> >> submitted to an NSRCA >>>rep >>> for import into a central database. 
> >> I know...I'm not >>> volunteering either...Lol. >>> 
> >> >>> -Mark >>> >> >> 
> > 
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