Another box rule (discussion)

[Bill Glaze]

It's O.K. Matt, Baby; I love ya! :-) BG

Rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:

> Okay, Okay, I give. It was 50 years ago already. Jeeesh that's as old 
> as I am. <BG>
>  
> Bill, I was just being kind!
>  
> MattK
>  
> In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:38:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> billglaze at triad.rr.com writes:
>
>     While I definitely like the new system of downgrading, I remember
>     well my first contest season.  All that we had, at that time, was
>     impression judging.  (~1955)
>     And, guess what?  It worked remarkably well; I can't recall ever
>     having misgivings about the placement of at least the first five
>     people; maybe more.
>     But yes, now is better, IMHO.
>
>     Bill Glaze
>
>     Rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>     In pattern there is a hard rule that has been passed by the CB.
>>     It's called the "1 pt per 15 degree " rule, and pattern judges
>>     apply the rule fairly well to center maneuvers at least. Most of
>>     the top judges in pattern try hard NOT to judge " by impression",
>>     but rather by the Downgrade Guidelines that have been
>>     established. The downgrades are often discussed at judging
>>     seminars and a handout of downgrades is given to attendees. Also
>>     a list of mandatory zeroes is given to same. To return back to
>>     impression judging would be to take a step backwards to 20 years ago.
>>      
>>     MattK
>>      
>>     In a message dated 3/10/2005 1:06:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>     joddino at socal.rr.com writes:
>>
>>         It seems to me that the guy who puts the airplane where the
>>         judges can see it should score better than the guys that fly
>>         out in the next county.  And it is no more difficult to judge
>>         the ends of a square box than it is to judge the backline of
>>         the vee.  And who doesn't judge by impression?  The rules
>>         don't specify that things like roll rates, altitudes. and
>>         radii need to be the same on all maneuvers but we are not
>>         impressed if they vary all over the map from maneuver to
>>         maneuver.  I say forget the box but downgrade like mad for
>>         someone that is out of control on positioning and that
>>         includes being too high, too low, too far up wind or down
>>         wind, in too close or out too far.  Amen.
>>          
>>         Jim O
>>
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