FW: Help!!!

[Martin X. Moleski, SJ]

Buddy,

Your messages are coming through to the list.

Otherwise, people would not be replying to them.

							Marty

--On Monday, March 07, 2005 6:44 PM -0500 BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2005 5:10:55 PM Central Standard Time, rcsteve at tcrcm.org writes:
>
>
> Hi Buddy-- don't worry, your messages are coming through. This list uses email, and email can have some strange excentricities.
>
> Email goes through email servers, one on each end. In the situation of the list server, add in a third server in the middle.
>
> Any of the servers can get busy, bogged down. Here is an example:
>
> Lets say you have sent out a message to the list server. Your email program does not talk directly to the nsrca list server, it hands the email off to an email server provided by your ISP (in this case AOL).  Your ISP's mail server then queues up your
> message until it has time to try and contact the nsrca server. Depending how busy it is, this could be 1 second, minutes, or in rare cases (during a spam storm) hours.
>
> Once your ISP server has time, it will try to contact the nsrca mail server. If the nsrca server is not busy, the message is transferred, and queued for send out to the list members. If it is busy (maybe with other nsrca list stuff, but could be one or
> more of their other commercial clients--nscra just rents space from an ISP) then it sends a short message back to your ISP server "busy-wait". So AOL's server puts it in a delay queue, and after it takes care of the other 15 million client messages
> waiting in its queues, tries again. Oh, but it gets another busy-wait message, it doubles the delay time and waits again.  With busy traffic, and doubling of the delay time for each busy-wait times, messages can get wait-delay times 24 hours or longer.
>
> This same process can happen on the distribution of the message out to the list members as well. For example, when the nsrca server tried to contact the AOL server, if it got a wait-busy reply, it puts the message to you in a wait queue and goes on
> through the rest of the list before trying again.
>
> Of course, some other problems can occur as well. In the past, we have had AOL's automated spam filtering think that email from the list was spam and started blocking it.
>
> Looking the email header info from your last message, it looks like it took 2 seconds for AOL's server to receive the message from you. It then took 6 more seconds for it to deliver it to the nsrca server. Pretty quick, obviously no delay here. It
> rumbles around through several spam and virus checkers at nsrca's ISP for a few seconds. Then it hits a server that's clock is 1+ hour off so who knows. Finally, NSRCA's servers shoot it to my server 1 minute and 3 seconds after you had hit the send
> button.
>
> So it got to me very fast. My best guess is that AOL's incoming servers were swamped (there is a spam storm going on this weekend), they told the NSRCA server to wait-delay a couple of times, and now your message is in email pergatory. It will
> eventually flush through.
>
> Below is a copy of the route list of your message that got to me. Its kind of interesting.  You read it from the bottom up. Each of the "Received:" lines is another server or application (like virus checker) that handled the message.
>
> Steve Sterling
> NSRCA Webteam
>
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> Received: from BUDDYonRC at aol.com
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>   for <discussion at nsrca.org>; Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:48:06 -0500 (EST)
> From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> Message-ID: <1a4.33132eee.2f5ce2a5 at aol.com>
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:48:05 EST
> Subject: Help!!!
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 2:48 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Help!!!
>
>
> If anyone can help? I am getting mail from everyone that mails me direct but nothing from the discussion list. I am beginning to think I have been cut off due to recent rules change discussions that I started.
> Please let me back on I won't do it again.
> Buddy
>
>
>
> No Steve
> I am not getting through I have been booted and when I try to sign up again I Get a reply Journal that says I cannot be added to the discussion mailing list: error-518979585
> I dont know why or how to fix the problem. I left a message For ED Hartly on the NSRCA site
> I got ahold of AOL and reset Spam filters they couldnt find a reason that it wont work nor can I my mail works everywhere else.
> Buddy




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