Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

[Ron Van Putte]

On Mar 3, 2005, at 7:35 AM, wgalligan wrote:

> Careful Doug...  Ed D. may take offense.  He only has 10,000 feet of 
> runway
> to practice on.

10,000 foot runway?  I'm jealous.  I fly from one of Eglin AFB's 
auxiliary runways and it's only 8,000 feet long.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>
>
>> If you start making things easier, you won't attract new pilots. All
> you'll
>> really do is make existing pilots get sloppy. IMAC has adopted new
>> positioning rules that are 'supposed' to make the noise footprint 
>> smaller
>> when in reality all they've done is breed a new group of pilots who 
>> can't
>> put the airplane where they want and have no reason to do so.
>>
>> My best analogy is the pilot who spends his entire flying time at a 
>> field
>> with a HUGE runway, who then cannot land on a small one because he's 
>> never
>> had to do it.
>>
>> Leave pattern alone. The only thing I'd do is ease up the schedules a 
>> bit
>> from the current trend of thumb gynastics. I've always believed a 
>> pattern
>> should be easy to fly, but difficult to fly well. The winning flight
>> shouldn't just be the person who managed to get through it.
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of David Lockhart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:39 PM
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>>>
>>> Arch,
>>>
>>> I think you are right on target.
>>>
>>> Competition is supposed to be tough and challenging, and
>>> unlike too much of the PC rhetoric in schools today, there is
>>> only ONE winner, and everyone else is a loser (even if they
>>> played the game "nice").
>>>
>>> Sometimes I wonder if pattern would attract more people if -
>>> - downgrades were 1 point per 30 degrees,
>>> - no downgrades for wind drift,
>>> - no box specified,
>>> - final score includes only your single best flight,
>>> - 3 "mulligans" allowed per flight,
>>>
>>> And, the awards at every contest included awards for best
>>> Peewee, Junior, Senior, Open, Sr. Open, and Super Senior.
>>>
>>> Then 90% of the scores would be 9 or better, and 90% of the
>>> entrants would go home with 1st place trophies.
>>>
>>> My apologies to anyone put off by this slightly off topic post.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Archie Stafford" <rcpattern at comcast.net>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:08 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>>>
>>>
>>>> What is the desire to make pattern easier.  Seems like
>>> every proposal
>>>> is
>>> to
>>>> make the planes easier to build to meet the rules, or changing the
>>> patterns
>>>> because they are hard.  I got into pattern because of the
>>> challenge.
>>>> I would much rather fly a very difficult schedule and have to go
>>>> practice often than to fly an easy schedule that everyone
>>> can do well.
>>>> The
>>> challenge
>>>> should never be who you are flying against, but to be able to go
>>>> practice
>>> on
>>>> your own and see the results.  Contests are great, but I
>>> love pattern
>>>> because I know that everytime I go fly that I am NOT going
>>> to fly the
>>>> perfect flight.  The challenge is to go out and put in that much
>>>> better flight than I did before.
>>>>
>>>> We as a SIG are never going to attract everyone at the field.  It
>>>> takes a certain personality type to be interested in
>>> pattern.  I don't
>>>> think the solution is to water down pattern to where
>>> everyone wants to
>>>> try it, but
>>> at
>>>> the cost of eliminating a lot of the challenges.  Once
>>> again I think
>>>> we
>>> need
>>>> to put the emphasis on getting people to try it. Yes, we
>>> will lose a
>>>> great number of those people to lack of time, interest, money or
>>>> whatever, but
>>> if
>>>> each district just picks up 5 or 6 people a year, it will
>>> keep pattern
>>>> healthy.  I have no problem being lenient with rules in
>>> Sportsman, but
>>>> as
>>> I
>>>> think Chris Moon said, we don't need to sacrifice the other classes.
>>> There
>>>> are good cheaper alternatives with airframes (Aresti,
>>> Focus, or even
>>>> older designs that others are selling), motors, and radios.
>>>>
>>>> I think we need to concentrate on getting more people to
>>> try it, all
>>>> the while knowing that we are not going to keep everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents...
>>>>
>>>> Arch
>>>>
>>>>
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