Apocalypse -- WAS RE: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

Wed Mar 2 19:03:25 AKST 2005

Hey Mike -- 
Apocalypse? Is that somebody's new pattern plane? All composite / carbon /
kevlar? When's it due out? Got any pictures? 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

The apocalypse could be near....I just hope it waits till after Ocala =)

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)

> 
> On Mar 2, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Joe Lachowski wrote:
> 
>> The 75 degree box is just as bad as no box at all. I flew the 75 
>> degree box in a couple of IMAC contests when they used it and thought 
>> that that big of a box was a joke and presented less of a challenge. 
>> Leave the box alone. Let's bury this absurd idea right now!!
> 
> This is getting bad.  I agreed with Bob Pastorello and Joe Lachowski on 
> the same day.
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
>>> From: vicenterc at comcast.net
>>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>>> To: discussion at nsrca.org, discussion at nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: Pattern Box Rules (discussion)
>>> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:10:27 +0000
>>>
>>> IMAC changed to 90 degree box this year.
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>
>>> As a member of the rules change committee I am trying to determine if 
>>> there is interest in pursuing this matter and welcome a discussion 
>>> and suggestions regarding this issue
>>> I have outlined some of the issues and suggestions pertaining to this 
>>> below and welcome your opinions.
>>>
>>> The pattern box was added to the AMA rules when the turnaround method 
>>> of
>>> Presentation and scoring was initiated. It defines the limited 
>>> scoring area where all maneuvers must be performed.
>>> The purpose of the box is to provide a uniform but somewhat flexible 
>>> area of presentation that allows the pilot the opportunity to tailor 
>>> his presentation to the requirements of the pattern being flown, and 
>>> allow judges to score his presentation on an equitable basis when 
>>> compared to the presentations of other pilots flying the sequence.
>>> The rules provide for specific score penalties for performing any 
>>> maneuver either out of the box or partially out of the box, making it 
>>> all important that all box violations are downgraded the same by all 
>>> judges to provide the correct score earned.
>>> Over the years the failure of judges to provide a uniform application 
>>> of box violations has resulted in an unfair advantage to some pilots 
>>> and a disadvantage to others.
>>> In many cases box line poles are not or cannot be provided to give 
>>> the pilot or judge the visual reference necessary which becomes the 
>>> primary reason among others that this condition continues to exist.
>>> In addition to the above the present box configuration increases the 
>>> possibility of a midair collision when two flight lines are used 
>>> because many pilots strive to utilize the same optimum distance out 
>>> in their presentation.
>>> By reconfiguring the box more area will be available for those who 
>>> wish to fly in closer with out fear of box violation downgrades, this 
>>> will also allow those who experience vision difficulties at greater 
>>> distances the possibly to be more competitive
>>>  In order to provide a method that will more nearly insure equity to 
>>> all participants and simplify the task of judges, while possibly 
>>> reducing the occurrences of midair collision, and also encourage 
>>> those with limited eyesight at the greater distances to participate, 
>>> It has been suggested that a rules change be requested to modify the 
>>> pattern box layout and redefine the box boundary infringement 
>>> penalty.
>>>
>>> One suggestion was to revise the box size by changing the box line 
>>> from Sixty (60) degrees to Seventy-five (75) degrees. And adopt a 
>>> uniform system of accessing penalties similar to the FAI rule or to 
>>> the method used in IMAC
>>>
>>> Another suggestion which may offer solutions to more of the inherent 
>>> problems experienced with the present box layout and scoring methods 
>>> would be to adopt
>>> A box layout and penalty system as described in the AMA Scale 
>>> Aerobatics Rules Item 4.1 with modifications to suit pattern.
>>>
>>> Buddy Brammer
>>>
>>
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