Weight limit discussion

[George Kennie]

Good airplane Norm! You may run into guys that will tell you that the design
is jaded, but you will still be quite competitive with it right up through
Masters!

Norm500 wrote:

> I would like as much information as anyone can furnish on the USA
> Star.
>
> Thanks,  Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:16 AM
> Subject: RE: Weight limit discussion
>
> So Buddy...I HAVE to ask again... If the "Average" competitor that
> you're referring to ISN"T following in Chip's/Jason's/Sean's (and
> of
> course our beloved Dave L's) footsteps...then why aren't they
> flying any
> of the competitive, well under 11lbs airframes that exist today???
> USA
> Star's, El Nino's, Desires, Arch Nem, SL-1, and on and on.
>
> Dave's argument is simply that the ONLY reason people are
> struggling
> with 11lbs...is because they're trying to build the same giant
> body
> ships that the top guys fly.  That will STILL be the case..except
> if you
> give them another lb to work with...those top guys will just build
> that
> much bigger of a ship that people will still want...and still
> can't
> build to make weight.
>
> So my question is simply...why aren't people flying the lighter
> designed
> 2M airframes?
>
> -Mark
>
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>
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
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> On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:01 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Weight limit discussion
>
> Dave
>
> In answer to the following parts of your post (had to split it up
> to big
> for the list to handle)
>
> Raise the weight limit in pattern, and the 2x2m monoplane will get
> bigger and more costly (and the most competitive examples will
> still
> probably be under 11 lbs, but the "average" plane won't be).
>
> So far this is my point exactly. If we are to make AMA pattern an
> inclusive event we in my opinion must include the average
> competitor.
> Those who have higher aspirations will do what they must to
> achieve
> perfection and a weight rule change will have little effect on
> those who
> aspire to compete on a higher level.
>
> Raise the weight limit in pattern while leaving unlimited
> displacement and the 2x2m box, and the 2x2m monoplane will no
> longer be
> the most competive design - the most competitive design will be a
> purpose designed pattern bipe that will be substantially more
> expensive
> (money, time, maintenance) than the current day designs.
>
> If you don't think a purpose design pattern bipe would be the
> best, ask Chip.  He will tell you without reservation he would not
> have
> flown his Double Visions in the past few years if he did not think
> it
> was the best plane.
>
> Yes, but you also need to consider the level of competition and
> his goals. Lets face it Chip is playing to the world in an arena
> composed of professionals making him a member of an exclusive
> group that
> for the most part excludes the rank and file of pattern. Here
> again I
> believe AMA pattern should be structured to attract all of the
> rank and
> file while affording those who aspire to greatness the opportunity
> to
> compete on a higher level without effecting or excluding those who
> make
> up the core of the pattern community or those who interested in
> joining
> it
>
> Buddy
>
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