Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

[Grow Pattern]

What is the rule this year if the plane is rolling as soon as the helper 
lets go?

Eric.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .


> Bob,
> I think your scenario is the hidden place where real time is saved, 
> particularly on pavement where the idle has to be very low to keep the 
> plane from rolling forward a little prior to takeoff. Last weekend in 
> Muncie, over 125 takeoffs occurred on Saturday over the course of 4 
> rounds. I don't recall a single instance where a plane quit out on the 
> line and had to be brought in and restarted. It's been pointed out that 
> there are other rules changes could accomplish the same thing and that's 
> true. Right now, I'm just watching and trying to assess what's good and 
> what's bad about the rules in place at the moment. My general perception 
> after just one contest on pavement is that things seemed to go quicker and 
> safer under the conditions we were flying in. There are many more contests 
> to observe before the full impact can be truly evaluated.
>
> Verne
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Richards" <bob at toprudder.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .
>
>
>>I have really been trying to stay out of the "scoring
>> TO and Landings" discussion since I voiced my opinion
>> way back when. However, I will add some real-world
>> data regarding time savings.
>>
>> During one round at the '93 Nats, I had an engine that
>> would not idle down without cutting off. I did
>> eventually get airborne, but ended up zeroing the
>> flight since I took 10 seconds over the required time
>> to get airborne. I understand the time limit is to
>> keep things moving, but in this case it did anything
>> but. I flew the whole flight, and the judges judged
>> the whole flight, the scribes wrote down every score.
>> It was not until I landed that I found out the round
>> was zeroed, and only because I saw the scribes erasing
>> the scores. It wasted a lot of people's time.
>>
>> The line judge should have immediately told me to stop
>> and let the next contestant fly, but I think he was
>> doing everything he could to be fair and wanted to
>> double check the rules. In fact, since I did get
>> airborne and was only 10 seconds over, he was going to
>> let it go until someone else not even flying in my
>> class complained.
>>
>> This whole episode was a bad experience for several
>> people, and would have been avoided entirely and saved
>> a LOT of time if the takeoff had not been scored.
>>
>> I learned to land/takeoff very well LONG before I
>> started flying pattern. However, I understand the
>> viewpoint of others, and I can see the point of
>> requiring scored takeoffs/landings in Sportsman and
>> Intermediate, much the way Novice used to have
>> straight flight out/back scored. It is an element that
>> is important and should be learned early.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
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