Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

[Atwood, Mark]

I have to chime in that I agree with Eric on wanting NSRCA submitted
proposals.  My previous comment was really just to say "we need more
action and less conversation".  I have to apologize that it was a poor
statement. 

 

I'll add to his comment that we have to be careful on this list...in
that it only represents a small portion (albeit and active portion) of
our whole group.  The survey hits a broader audience, and also allows
people to reply with some level of group anonymity...something that
tends to encourage feedback.

 

Mark

 

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Grow Pattern
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:53 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

 

Ach! I just hemorrhaged,

                                      The real issue is that we have
different opinions creating two camps. It is normally a simple exercise
to resolve these types of debate. We take a democratic vote. The
majority wins and we move on. This is not the case and not what happened
or happens here. The last survey vote was ignored and an individual
proposal made. (It is more PC to say "individual" than "private"). It
looks like that he survey vote will not even be waited for on landing
direction.

 

Mark Atwood encourages individual action and this type of proposal
making. It sounds good at first until the contest board gets five
different proposals on the same subject or even fifty. (Of course you
might not know but there is a pre-filter on the front of the AMA contest
board system that I have yet to decode?).

 

It does beg the question of what is the point of belonging to a society
if you don't support the gathering of survey answers like scoring 0
through 10 for take-offs and landings. Are you a society member when you
agree and an individual AMA member when you don't?

 

I took a bunch of heat for recanting what happened in the last cycle.
Individuals made an individual proposal that not only was in direct
opposition to the majority vote but also is causing a ton of explanation
and translation work that falls back on the society and its officers. It
does not inconvenience the individual proposers.

 

Pointing out the individuals and their involvement and official AMA
record of their involvement did get me some more direct and indirect
hostile e-mail. There was even financial pressure put on the NSRCA
because of my explanations of what went down. There was nothing in what
I wrote that was a personal attack. They finally keyed in on my "teaser"
about not living in Florida as being a mortal insult. I guess the smiley
was just not cutting it?  

 

My replies to the direct e-mail were/are simple. You wrote, you signed
it, stand by what you did, stop trying to shoot the messenger, listen to
the feedback and observe the confusion when proposals are not
coordinated and "English/rules book" processed by our (the NSRCA)
resources. You know, I did not see any offers to help or correct the
situation, from the proposing individuals. I did see our very own Don
Ramsey do work to try and clean it all up. I do see judging schools
spending inordinate amounts of time on the subject. I do expect personal
attacks to continue to be made in my direction. It always does when you
hit a nerve.

 

Eric.

 

  

 

>  
>
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Landing Direction
>  
> Marguerite,
>  
> Actually, I don't think you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll 
> showed overwhelmingly that the membership wanted scored t/o and 
> landings as did the public outcry after the majority's desires were 
> disregarded. Apparently even the contest board would have voted to 
> keep the old rule but the question was worded in such a way to confuse

> two of the contest board members.
>  
> Now that the new messed up rule has caused so much confusion I think 
> everyone is getting so fed-up with it that many would rather have 
> nothing at all than what we have now. To me this has more to do with 
> being sick of all the ridiculous discussions than a real desire of 
> pattern pilots to not score t/o and landings.
>  
> I for one have been paying attention to take-offs and landings this 
> year and find it a real shame that we don't have those beautiful 
> centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs. The new guys coming into 
> sportsman will miss out on this discipline.
>  
> Keith
>  
>   

 

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