Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .

Mon Jun 13 16:58:09 AKDT 2005

Don
You won't get any fire from me.I agree with you.

    Jim Ivey 

> From: AtwoodDon at aol.com
> Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 04:26:45 EDT
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .
> 
>  
> Well, if we are going to this type scoring, I vote for a couple of throw  out 
> or King's X maneuvers per flight, pilot's choice of course.  Best 20 or  so 
> maneuvers counts?
>  
> Seriously, I have been trying to catch up on the long list of emails  
> pertaining to judging or not judging TO and Landings with a lot of good points  made 
> on both sidespertaining to faster contests and safer environments.   Maybe my 
> grey hair is showing, but I guess I disagree with the comments about  
> TO/landing not being aerobatic maneuvers, not important, etc.  My opinion  is they are 
> the most critical 2 maneuvers per flight and barring radio problems,  
> probably are most responsible for aircraft damage at any contest.   Therefore, I 
> think they should be judged (forcing the pilot to actually practice  them) and 
> quite frankly I believe they should have something greater than 1 as a  
> multiplier.
>  
> These two maneuvers require the pilot to control the aircraft in a rapidly  
> changing airspeed situation and demonstrate control during those changes.   
> Takes all 4 control axis, etc.  Kind of a back to the basics opinion, but  we 
> have all seen the onset of the blast it into the air and hope it hits the  runway 
> when it comes down approach.  I for one do not believe this approach  
> improves anything, may even cause more deterioration in actual 'flying' skills  in 
> our entry and mid-level classes.
>  
> OK, let me get my fire suit button up here......  OK, I'm  ready.....  ;-)
>  
> Don Atwood
>  
> In a message dated 6/13/2005 1:09:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
> vanputte at cox.net writes:
> 
> On Jun  13, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Cameron Smith wrote:
> 
> > Top-Hats & Humpty  Bumps also!!!  If you aint Hovering you aint flying! 
> > (Oops wrong  discussion group;-)
> 
> Well, as long as we're voting here, I vote for  non-scored Diamond 8s in 
> the Master class.  Everyone should just  admire the beauty of the 
> maneuver and not be critical and  judgmental.
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
> >  
> > -----Original  Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> >  [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hoard
> > Sent:  Monday, June 13, 2005 11:39 AM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >  Subject: RE: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .
> >  
> > I  think we should stop scoring spins and snaps, also.  What do you 
> >  guys think?? 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Keith  L. Hoard
> > Cordova, TN
> > khoard at midsouth.rr.com
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >
> > From:  discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On  Behalf Of Keith Black
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:19 AM
> > To:  discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Landing Direction
> >  
> > Marguerite,
> >  
> > Actually, I don't think  you're alone on this issue. The NSRCA poll 
> > showed overwhelmingly that  the membership wanted scored t/o and 
> > landings as did the public  outcry after the majority's desires were 
> > disregarded. Apparently even  the contest board would have voted to 
> > keep the old rule but the  question was worded in such a way to confuse 
> > two of the contest board  members.
> >  
> > Now that the new messed up rule has caused so  much confusion I think 
> > everyone is getting so fed-up with it that  many would rather have 
> > nothing at all than what we have now. To me  this has more to do with 
> > being sick of all the ridiculous discussions  than a real desire of 
> > pattern pilots to not score t/o and  landings.
> >  
> > I for one have been paying attention to  take-offs and landings this 
> > year and find it a real shame that we  don't have those beautiful 
> > centered liftoffs and gentle climb outs.  The new guys coming into 
> > sportsman will miss out on this  discipline.
> >  
> > Keith
> >  
> >  
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From:  MargueriteVG at aol.com
> >> To: patternrules at earthlink.net ;  discussion at nsrca.org
> >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:58  AM
> >> Subject: Re: Landing Direction
> >>  
> >>  
> >> Good Morning...... oh oh  here goes...
> >>  I agree it is important to encourage good landings and take  and I  
> >> will add to your  statement... why not all classes with take off and  
> >> landing.  Yes, for the most part the pilots in the higher  classes 
> >> will ace the landing.   I have seen the higher  classes mess up on the 
> >> landings (yes and almost hit me while I  was in a contest flying)
> >>   Take off and landing perfectly all  the time is the goal for any 
> >> pilot.  This seems to be  getting so involved. I know I am out for the 
> >> most part alone on  this issue and that is  fine with me.  ITs just 
> >>  that I would like to see the pattern community respect this issue and  
> >> set a good example for all pilots joining on to Precision  Aerobatics.
> >>   A well done take off and a well done landing is  certainly part of 
> >> flying aerobatic competition in all  classes. Its the start ... and it 
> >> should be.  I was  glad to see someone out there was thinking along 
> >> the same lines  here.
> >> Marguerite
> >>  
> >> In a message dated  6/13/2005 8:23:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
> >>  patternrules at earthlink.net writes:
> >>>
> >>>  >  Personally Jerry,  I'd like to see us score landings and take  
> >>> offs for
> >>>  Sportsman and  Intermediate.  Given the k-factor of their total 
> >>>  schedule
> >>>  it's a meaningful part, and the ability to land  well in a high 
> >>> crosswind is
> >>>  something  they'll need to be comfortable with, so it's worth 
> >>> rewarding  ann
> >>>  motivating the practice required to do it  well.
> 
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