[SPAM] Re: New Sequences
Wayne Galligan
wgalligan at goodsonacura.com
Mon Jun 13 15:07:33 AKDT 2005
I think your right Terry. I was looking at the proposed Masters class it has a lot of inverted flying. Going from very little or none to a LOT could produce some anxiety. I think the current Adv class is a good transition from Intermediate except there is no snap in Intermediate(not to open a sore wound). If you can transition and flow the 45 snap into the top hat and be at the right spot for the tri-angle loop I think it has good developmental skills for masters. Its uses nearly all the input skills to fly correctly especially with some wind.
Wayne Galligan
ADV D6
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Terrenoire
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
Sunday morning I downloaded the proposed new schedules for Advance. Very disappointed and surprised. Talk about "dumbing down" a class. We are going from 5 inverted exits to NONE. Neither proposal has a single inverted exit, and the closest maneuver to inverted is the 2 outside loops in one and dthe 6 sided outside in the other. We are going from a big step from Int to Adv, to one gigantic leap from Adv to Masters. This will drive people like me out! I will not be NEARLY as challenged by the new Adv schedule, but scared to death of the Masters. I just can't imagine what some of the other "long time" Adv pilots will be thinking.
Sure hope the powers that be, will give this some serious consideration, but knowing what happened to the TO/LDG scoring, I am not holding out much hope.
BTW, I did fly both proposed schedules Sunday afternoon. They both flow well, but they certainly NEED more dificulty, IE some inverted exits. I hated the 45 down with outside snap, and still don't like it much, but I think it does go a long way to teaching some needed skills for the advancement to Masters. How about some of you other ADV pilots, let's hear what you think!!
Terry T.
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:12:11 -0400 "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com> writes:
Terry,
There are rules proposals in the survey that cover your situation. Many of them make a lot of sense, at least to me. You can find them as well as the proposed schedules on the NSRCA site. It's a little tricky, but we have to deal with the fact that there are a lot of guys who just love to fly pattern, support our contests and are our friends that won't make it to the top. The reasons can be job/family demands, financial, skill or deteriorating skill with age, or any number of other factors. The trick is to adopt rules that accommodate those things while still preventing the trophy hog from laying around in a class year after year. Some of the proposals address those things and merit all of our attention. If we ignore them, we'll find our already-shrinking local contests reduced to a "why-bother" level.
Verne
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Terrenoire
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Cc: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences
Just another comment. Keep in mind that I have not seen the new sequence yet.
I have been flying Advance since 1989, before turnaround. I don't believe I have won a contest in that time, and have had only a couple of 2nds. Right now, I am looking at the jump to Masters as being too big for me. I have learned to handle the current schedule, maybe not as smoothly as most, but I can get thru the sequence without embarresing myself.
If the new sequence is "easier", I can see myself in a position where I could be winning some contests, and would be forced out of the class, again with a much bigger leap to a class I feel is already beyond my abilities.
At my age, learning new tricks, when the old have not been perfected, may just push some of us in similar situations completely out of the mix.
Terry T.
On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rodney Tanner <rodney19821982 at yahoo.com> writes:
Bill, Mike:
I see the argument for a smoother transition between 402 and 403 and in the context of the overall progression through the classes it is probably a valid one, especially for the Intermediate guy coming up. Personally, though, I am glad for the leap I am going through in the current 403 - Advanced and can´t wait to go up to Masters, which I now see as more of a logical step up, rather than the big, intentional, leap it will be in the future.
Good job guys.
Rodney
Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net> wrote:
What Bill said.
We had 2 choices to smooth out that huge leap between 402 and 403: make 402
tougher or make 403 slightly easier. The overwhelming majority was against
making 402 any tougher, so we went this way. Like Bill said, look at the
schedules in relation to each other and consider that carefully before
anyone votes on them. There are a couple of ways we could end up with a
worse problem than we currently have. My hope is everyone will put a lot of
thought into their choices. I'm reminded of teh old knight at the end of
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade....."choose wisely". Look what happened
to the guy that picked the wrong one. Eek.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Pritchett"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: New Sequences
> Rodney:
> Both proposed Advanced schedules are "easier" than the current Advanced
> schedule. This was one of the criteria that we worked with, based upon
> overwhelming opinion that the jump to Advanced is currently too much. I
> like both schedules (not because I'm on the committee...hehe), but what
> this WILL do is make the jump to Masters much bigger for the guys that
> will come through these schedules. I am sort of a victim of having made
> the current jump, and now that I've made it, felt that I could objectively
> help others coming up in seasons to come not deal with some of the issues
> current Advanced flyers have had to handle. Our current schedule calls
> for 10 maneuvers prior to a cross box turnaround. Although there is
> discussion on the list right now about being on that "line", and a cross
> box being a bother, let's face it, most Advanced flyers need to adjust
> in/out earlier than 10 maneuvers in. Lots of thought and discussion went
> into these, and I'm sure that everyone on the committee hopes that the
> NSRCA membership takes a deep collective breath before making any
> judgments. One thing we all tried to do is make it more even in jumps
> between classes, up to Masters. We all seemed to agree that Masters
> should be the "big" jump, and a jump that provides a class of
> "Destination" for some, and FAI prep for others. I hope that you, and
> others, will look at the proposed Advanced schedule as a part of the
> whole, and not a direct comparison to the present.
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
> Bill Pritchett
> 765-744-9322
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