[SPAM] Re: New Sequences

Mon Jun 13 14:21:45 AKDT 2005

Sunday morning I downloaded the proposed new schedules for Advance. Very
disappointed and surprised. Talk about "dumbing down" a class. We are
going from 5 inverted exits to NONE. Neither proposal has a single
inverted exit, and the closest maneuver to inverted is the 2 outside
loops in one and dthe 6 sided outside in the other. We are going from a
big step from Int to Adv, to one gigantic leap from Adv to Masters. This
will drive people like me out! I will not be NEARLY as challenged by the
new Adv schedule, but scared to death of the Masters. I just can't
imagine what some of the other "long time" Adv pilots will be thinking.

Sure hope the powers that be, will give this some serious consideration,
but knowing what happened to the TO/LDG scoring, I am not holding out
much hope.

BTW, I did fly both proposed schedules Sunday afternoon. They both flow
well, but they certainly NEED more dificulty, IE some inverted exits. I
hated the 45 down with outside snap, and still don't like it much, but I
think it does go a long way to teaching some needed skills for the
advancement to Masters. How about some of you other ADV pilots, let's
hear what you think!!

Terry T.

On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:12:11 -0400 "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
writes:
Terry,
There are rules proposals in the survey that cover your situation. Many
of them make a lot of sense, at least to me. You can find them as well as
the proposed schedules on the NSRCA site. It's a little tricky, but we
have to deal with the fact that there are a lot of guys who just love to
fly pattern, support our contests and are our friends that won't make it
to the top. The reasons can be job/family demands, financial, skill or
deteriorating skill with age, or any number of other factors. The trick
is to adopt rules that accommodate those things while still preventing
the trophy hog from laying around in a class year after year. Some of the
proposals address those things and merit all of our attention. If we
ignore them, we'll find our already-shrinking local contests reduced to a
"why-bother" level.

Verne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Terry Terrenoire 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Cc: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: New Sequences

Just another comment. Keep in mind that I have not seen the new sequence
yet.

I have been flying Advance since 1989, before turnaround. I don't believe
I have won a contest in that time, and have had only a couple of 2nds.
Right now, I am looking at the jump to Masters as being too big for me. I
have learned to handle the current schedule, maybe not as smoothly as
most, but I can get thru the sequence without embarresing myself.

If the new sequence is "easier", I can see myself in a position where I
could be winning some contests, and would be forced out of the class,
again with a much bigger leap to a class I feel is already beyond my
abilities. 

At my age, learning new tricks, when the old have not been perfected, may
just push some of us in similar situations completely out of the mix.

Terry T.

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Rodney Tanner
<rodney19821982 at yahoo.com> writes:
Bill, Mike: 
I see the argument for a smoother transition between 402 and 403 and in
the context of the overall progression through the classes it is probably
a valid one, especially for the Intermediate guy coming up. Personally,
though,  I am glad for the leap I am going through in the current 403 -
Advanced  and can´t wait to go up to Masters, which I now see as more of
a logical step up, rather than the big, intentional, leap it will be in
the future. 
Good job guys.

Rodney 

Mike Hester <kerlock at comcast.net> wrote:
What Bill said.

We had 2 choices to smooth out that huge leap between 402 and 403: make
402 
tougher or make 403 slightly easier. The overwhelming majority was
against 
making 402 any tougher, so we went this way. Like Bill said, look at the 
schedules in relation to each other and consider that carefully before 
anyone votes on them. There are a couple of ways we could end up with a 
worse problem than we currently have. My hope is everyone will put a lot
of 
thought into their choices. I'm reminded of teh old knight at the end of 
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade....."choose wisely". Look what
happened 
to the guy that picked the wrong one. Eek.

-Mike
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Pritchett" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: New Sequences

> Rodney:
> Both proposed Advanced schedules are "easier" than the current Advanced

> schedule. This was one of the criteria that we worked with, based upon 
> overwhelming opinion that the jump to Advanced is currently too much. I

> like both schedules (not because I'm on the committee...hehe), but what

> this WILL do is make the jump to Masters much bigger for the guys that 
> will come through these schedules. I am sort of a victim of having made

> the current jump, and now that I've made it, felt that I could
objectively 
> help others coming up in seasons to come not deal with some of the
issues 
> current Advanced flyers have had to handle. Our current schedule calls 
> for 10 maneuvers prior to a cross box turnaround. Although there is 
> discussion on the list right now about being on that "line", and a
cross 
> box being a bother, let's face it, most Advanced flyers need to adjust 
> in/out earlier than 10 maneuvers in. Lots of thought and discussion
went 
> into these, and I'm sure that everyone on the committee hopes that the 
> NSRCA membership takes a deep collective breath before making any 
> judgments. One thing we all tried to do is make it more even in jumps 
> between classes, up to Masters. We all seemed to agree that Masters 
> should be the "big" jump, and a jump that provides a class of 
> "Destination" for some, and FAI prep for others. I hope that you, and 
> others, will look at the proposed Advanced schedule as a part of the 
> whole, and not a direct comparison to the present.
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
> Bill Pritchett
> 765-744-9322
>
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