[SPAM] Re: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.

[Jim Ivey]

> Verne
I agree with you .The guys I have helped transition to AMA from SPA have found that to be true about being a huge step. I think these discussions wiil help us come up with a solution to this problem.
I also think that Eric's idea here, is generating a think tank and giving direction for pattern manouvers to be decided on.
I said once that there will be Masters pilots that can't put 3 rollsor a 8 point roll in a straight line,if we don't include some of these in the lower levels.It's good training I think.

Jim Ivey
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Date: 2005/01/14 Fri PM 05:40:56 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to accept it.
> 
> Jim,
> Never seen an SPA schedule. I started with the old, non-turnaround AMA 
> Sportsman schedule and built from there. My faulty memory probably changed a 
> few things in it, but I'm sure it's pretty close. The reason I used that 
> approach was because that class always drew real well to the order of ten to 
> fifteen pilots at every contest. Nobody around here ever bothered with 
> Novice because they had no interest in the maneuvers flown. They'd start 
> right off in Sportsman, bypassing Novice.We always called them "weekend 
> warriors" because most were just above average sport flyers. Funny thing is 
> that it was almost a completely different group of guys at every contest 
> that were "local" to wherever the contest was. Some of them continued on and 
> some didn't, but enough stayed with it to make an average contest have 40 - 
> 50 contestants. When we went to all turnaround, they all vanished. I think 
> anybody we're LIKELY to draw to one of our contests would be able to do 
> those maneuvers because they're already doing them at local fields all over 
> the country. I believe the steps in this approach are very logical and point 
> to the biggest mistake we've been making since the early 90's and that 
> mistake is ignoring the fact that learning to fly turnaround is a HUGE step 
> in and of itself. We've had a few new guys tell us that on the List recently 
> if anybody was listening.
> 
> Verne
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose 
> to accept it.
> 
> 
> > Verne
> > Looks like you got a lot of those manouvers from the SPA pattern.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >>
> >> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> >> Date: 2005/01/14 Fri PM 04:54:04 EST
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose 
> >> to accept it.
> >>
> >> SPORTSMAN (non-turnaround)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Introduces pilot to judged flying and competition. Emphasis on geometry,
> >> centering, and drawing straight lines. Also exposes pilot to other 
> >> pattern
> >> pilots and shows him the "network" of available help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1.                Takeoff
> >>
> >> 2.                Double Stall Turn
> >>
> >> 3.                Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 4.                Three Inside Loops
> >>
> >> 5.                Straight Inverted Flight
> >>
> >> 6.                Square Loop
> >>
> >> 7.                Two Horizontal Rolls
> >>
> >> 8.                Triangle Loop
> >>
> >> 9.                Cobra Roll w/Half Rolls
> >>
> >> 10.           One Outside Loop From the Top
> >>
> >> 11.           Double Immelmann w/No Rolls
> >>
> >> 12.           Landing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> INTERMEDIATE (partial turnaround)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Builds on Sportsman schedule by adding turnarounds. Emphasis on geometry,
> >> centering, and introduction to turnaround. Occasional exits allow time to
> >> regroup. The main lesson is learning to fly turnaround.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1.                Takeoff
> >>
> >> 2.                Double Stall Turn
> >>
> >> 3.                Half Reverse Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 4.                Straight Inverted Flight               (Exit Box)
> >>
> >> 5.                Three Inside Loops
> >>
> >> 6.                Humpty Bump
> >>
> >> 7.                Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 8.                Immelmann Turn
> >>
> >> 9.                One Outside Loop From The Top (Exit Box)
> >>
> >> 10.           Two Horizontal Rolls
> >>
> >> 11.           Half Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 12.           Square Loop
> >>
> >> 13.           Humpty Bump With Options
> >>
> >> 14.           Cobra Roll w/Half Rolls
> >>
> >> 15.           Stall Turn
> >>
> >> 16.           Triangle Loop
> >>
> >> 17.           Landing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ADVANCED (full turnaround)
> >>
> >> Builds on Intermediate Schedule in a full turnaround format. Additional
> >> elements will be added to basic Intermediate maneuvers such as half rolls 
> >> on
> >> lines. In addition, both slow and point rolls will be introduced. Use of
> >> rudder will be necessary to maintain track and stay in box.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1.                Takeoff
> >>
> >> 2.                Double Stall Turn w/Half Rolls Up and Down
> >>
> >> 3.                Half Reverse Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 4.                Slow Roll
> >>
> >> 5.                Stall Turn
> >>
> >> 6.                Three Inside Loops
> >>
> >> 7.                Humpty Bump w/Options
> >>
> >> 8.                Reverse Cuban Eight
> >>
> >> 9.                Immelmann Turn
> >>
> >> 10.           Inside Outside Vertical Eight From the Middle
> >>
> >> 11.           Split S
> >>
> >> 12.           Four Point Roll
> >>
> >> 13.           Top Hat w/Quarter Rolls
> >>
> >> 14.           Square Loop w/Half Rolls on Legs 1 & 3
> >>
> >> 15.           Humpty Bump
> >>
> >> 16.           Three Horizontal Rolls
> >>
> >> 17.           Stall Turn w/Half Rolls
> >>
> >> 18.           Triangle Rolling Loop
> >>
> >> 19.           Landing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MASTERS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Introduce snaps, spins, more complicated elements on straight lines, and
> >> maneuvers containing roll segments in both directions. Pilots desiring to
> >> fly FAI should leave Masters with the basic tools required to enter that
> >> level of competition.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric,
> >>
> >> Here ya go. I doubt something this radical would ever be accepted, but at
> >> least it will serve to underline some of the concepts I was discussing 
> >> and
> >> defending recently on the List.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Verne Koester
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:38 PM
> >> Subject: Schedule design - Your homework assignment should you chose to
> >> accept it.
> >>
> >>
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