* del klipped * Re: Re: adding interest and complexity to Sportsman ... a...

Wed Jan 12 08:48:00 AKST 2005

That would have been Ray Craig.  You almost gave him a stroke.  You've
got to be CAREFUL with old guys.

Steve Byrum 

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Cameron Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:38 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: * del klipped * Re: Re: adding interest and complexity to
Sportsman ... a...

I PREFER AMA Pattern Then IMAC as to events I would take time & expense
to participate in BUT having said that I have had some Real fun @ SPA
Events!
 Lot's of guys that USED TO fly in years past come out and is a great
resource for anyone looking for help getting started.

 I remember faking some Judges out one flight by having someone in the
Pits fly my Plane & I had a Dummy transmitter box in my hand. Me and my
caller faked a fight during my flight & got the judges laughing. Then on
Final I turned to them & threw one of them my Transmitter, Telling them
IF they don’t like how I'm flying you LAND IT!  He reminds me of that
EVERYTIME he is sitting in the Judges chair. Sometimes it's just good to
have FUN! :-)

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On Behalf Of JonLowe at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: * del klipped * Re: Re: adding interest and complexity to
Sportsman ... a...

I've been lurking thru all of this discussion on sportsman for NSRCA,
and also the disucssion of the relative merits of SPA for new pattern
pilots.  I believe I am qualified to discuss both, as I flew in SPA
Novice class and Sportsman in AMA last year.  I was series champ in
novice in SPA in 2004, and won the only AMA event I entered.  I flew a
World Models Intruder in SPA, and a Titan 2 meter airplane in AMA.

All in all, non-turnaround in SPA is a WHOLE lot less intimidating than
AMA Sportsman.  You have time to set up for each manuever, and can
concentrate on that manuever, rather than setting up for the end of the
box.  The SPA novice sequence is geared to make sure you can fly
straight lines, and actually get 3 loops on top of each other, basics
anyone needs in precision aerobatics.  SPA is also geared toward a lower
keyed event than AMA.  The SPA sequence and members helped me greatly in
getting improvements in my flying and placement.  Even though the
airplanes are somewhat faster, they are not the screaming demons of the
past, because SPA mandates no retracts, and virtually everyone is now
flying 91 4 strokes for noise and power reasons, since pipes are not
allowed on two strokes, for simplicity.

Stringing together the sequence for AMA Sportsman took a whole lot more
practice on top of the SPA novice pattern.  Trying to keep a constant
distance out was a major challenge, as well as staying within the ends
of the box, since you couldn't reposition at the end of each manuever.
AMA was higher stress, but people like Jim Ivey took me under their wing
and gave me valuable feedback.

Since I live in the south, I would recommend anyone interested in
pattern around here try SPA first to get their feet wet for the reasons
above.  In order to encourage people to get into pattern, we have to
take as much of the stress away as we can for their first events.  Yes,
they need to come into an event with practice under their belt, but
simpler patterns, non-turnaround make it less intimidating, and easier
to give competition a try.

Jon Lowe
NSRCA 3612
SPA 245

In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:59:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, "spbyrum"
<spbyrum at hiwaay.net> writes:

>I switched between the Curare and a Viper on a daily basis the last 6
>weeks of last Summer because I thought I'd have to go from the Viper in
>Huntsville to the Curare for the SPA Masters in Knoxville the next
>weekend.  Turns out, the Curare grooves well enough and flies slowly
>enough that it wasn't a huge shock.  Going from Curare to Viper does
>make me appreciate the Viper more, but the gap is not so great as with
>other SPA planes I've owned.
> 
>Steve Byrum 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of Rcmaster199 at aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:38 AM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: * del klipped * Re: Re: adding interest and complexity to
>Sportsman ... a...
> 
> 
> 
>Thanks Steve, I can imagine that after flying these little guys at near
>mach 1, going back to current pattern would be like waiting for water
to
>boil. Hey that's not a bad thing; all kinds of time is good
> 
>MattK
> 
>In a message dated 1/12/2005 9:29:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>spbyrum at hiwaay.net writes:
>Matt
> 
>YES to both.  I've flown both.  I've killed both.  I think Jim
witnessed
>both spectacular moments.  Both planes fly well with a 4c. 
> 
>Steve Byrum 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of Rcmaster199 at aol.com
>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:39 PM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: * del klipped * Re: Re: adding interest and complexity to
>Sportsman ... a...
> 
>In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>jivey61 at bellsouth.net writes:
>Del
>
>Like all other organizations The SPA has it's own set of growing
>pains,just like NSRCA.
>All the classes in SPA use affordable planes, which makes it good for
>entry level pattern.
>SPA caught on ok in the southeast,but slow elsewhere.There needs to be
a
>sparkplug to get SPA started in other areas.
>
>Jim Ivey
>Jimmy is the Curare SPA legal? Or the Atlas? These were of mid 70's
>vintage but I don't remember exact timing
> 
>
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