Participation

[Norm500]

Boy, what a tease that is.  Maybe you're not a liberty to divulge 
details, but about something like when the rest of us will be able 
to see these.

Norm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Cronkhite" <seefo at san.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:25 PM
Subject: RE: Participation


> With the new batteries I saw yesterday.. weight will no longer 
> be an issue.
>
> -Doug
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> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of RC Steve Sterling
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:20 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Participation
>
>
> Yes-- you can weigh the airplane without the electrons 
> (uncharged), but the
> fuel container (battery) must be installed. Not going to help 
> much.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
> Behalf Of John Pavlick
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:07 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: RE: Participation
>
>
> Randy + Norm,
> I've seen it written as:
> "4.3. Weight and Size. No model may weigh
>
> more than five (5) kilograms (11 pounds) gross, but
>
> excluding fuel, ready for takeoff. No model may
>
> have a wingspan or total length longer than two (2)
>
> meters (78.74 inches)."
>
> If you consider a battery as the "fuel" for an electric plane... 
> Just a
> thought.
>
> John Pavlick
> http://www.idseng.com <http://www.idseng.com/>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
> Behalf Of Randy
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:57 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Participation
>
>
>
> I think electric are weighted without the pack.  At least I have 
> seen it
> written on this list that way/
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: MKMSG at aol.com
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Participation
>
>
> In a message dated 1/9/05 12:57:21 PM Central Standard Time,
> Norm500 at comcast.net writes:
>
> Just some thoughts from an electric flyer that hasn't started in
> Pattern yet.  I have flown electric power in IMAC, but am
> interested in Pattern because of the 2-meter size limit.  My 
> IMAC
> plane, a 2-meter Staudacher which weighs just over 13 lbs. RTF,
> and is as large as I want to go.  In larger electrics the price
> starts going up exponentially, but 2-meters start looking rather
> small alongside of the now typical IMAC planes.
>
> BTW, my battery pack weighs just under 3 lbs. so if the rules 
> were
> ever changed to allow electrics to be weighed without the pack,
> I'd only be at about 10 lbs.  Not too bad for a plane that was
> originally built and flown with a Quadra gas engine.
>
> Anyway, the point of all this is that you might be able to start
> attracting some electric powered flyers that want to compete
> simply because of the 2-meter limit on size.  I know it's not
> something that's going to happen overnight, but changing the 
> rule
> about weighing with the battery installed would surely help.  I
> also know that some of the top rung people are already flying
> electric pattern, but with state of the art planes that's hard 
> for
> entry level builders to achieve.
>
> I've been trying to decide on a pattern plane to build for some
> weeks now.  I'd like it to be a 2-meter if for no other reason
> than my eyesight isn't very good and the larger planes are 
> easier
> to see.  Thinking of building a Typhoon 2K with Mike Hester's
> modifications, but the project looks daunting to someone who's
> never built a wing with tubes, adjustable wing and stabs, etc.
> Also have been considering the Focus II, but figure it will be
> overweight with the batteries.
>
> Oh well, that's my input for today.
>
> Norm
>
>
> Norm: Because most pattern enthusiasts fly glow powered models, 
> there really
> hasn't been much discussion or concern regarding how 
> glow/gas/electric
> pattern aircraft are weighed.  Competition rules should be as 
> fair as
> possible when applied across the board to all the different 
> types of models
> authorized to compete in a given category.  Rather than weigh 
> electric
> pattern ships without batteries, it's my personal view that 
> either 1) the
> weight limit for pattern should be eliminated, or 2) weigh all 
> aircraft
> types  -- gas, glow, or electric -- ready to fly....with fuel or 
> batteries
> as the case may be.  I'm not pro or con any particular type of 
> power plant.
> I've used glow engines for nearly 55 years and currently have 
> two electric
> pattern ships on the workbench.  Our AMA competition rules are 
> guided and
> influenced by international FAI rules and it will be interesting 
> to see how
> this issue is handled as more and more modelers move to forms of 
> power other
> than glow fuel.
>
> Mike Moritko
>
> 


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