Weight limit discussion

[Atwood, Mark]

Hey Bob,  I'm not asking for my own edification...as you state...it's
pretty obvious.  I'm asking because others don't seem to agree.  My
point is the same as yours...that "Followership"....or I liked the
phrase Trickle down Patternomics..lol...  IS the norm.  So raising the
weight limit WILL lead to new, larger designs, those WILL be
better...everyone in the lower classes WILL want them...and they still
won't be able to build them under the new weight limit.  Nothing will be
gained, but the cost to all will be higher as all the old equipment
loses value and everyone has to retool.

 

So my point is simply if you don't believe that's what will
happen...then explain why the lower classes aren't flying the existing
2M planes that are easy to build under 5Kg.

 

-mark

 

 

 

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Bob Pastorello
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:22 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Weight limit discussion

 

Mark - I'm surprised you would actually ask that.  Most of us that have
been around for awhile know absolutely that the game is a game of
"followership", where masses of people spend tons of money to duplicate
the "hot setups" of the big dogs in their own personal quest for glory.

 

Perhaps limiting the equipment that the big dogs can use will help get
things back into control?


Bob Pastorello
NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
rcaerobob at cox.net
www.rcaerobats.net

 

 

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Atwood, Mark <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  

	To: discussion at nsrca.org 

	Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:16 AM

	Subject: RE: Weight limit discussion

	 

	So Buddy...I HAVE to ask again... If the "Average" competitor
that you're referring to ISN"T following in Chip's/Jason's/Sean's (and
of course our beloved Dave L's) footsteps...then why aren't they flying
any of the competitive, well under 11lbs airframes that exist today???
USA Star's, El Nino's, Desires, Arch Nem, SL-1, and on and on.  

	 

	Dave's argument is simply that the ONLY reason people are
struggling with 11lbs...is because they're trying to build the same
giant body ships that the top guys fly.  That will STILL be the
case..except if you give them another lb to work with...those top guys
will just build that much bigger of a ship that people will still
want...and still can't build to make weight.

	 

	So my question is simply...why aren't people flying the lighter
designed 2M airframes?

	 

	-Mark

	 

	 

	 

	
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	From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
	Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:01 AM
	To: discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject: Weight limit discussion

	 

	Dave 

	In answer to the following parts of your post (had to split it
up to big for the list to handle)

	 

	Raise the weight limit in pattern, and the 2x2m monoplane will
get bigger and more costly (and the most competitive examples will still
probably be under 11 lbs, but the "average" plane won't be).

	So far this is my point exactly. If we are to make AMA pattern
an inclusive event we in my opinion must include the average competitor.
Those who have higher aspirations will do what they must to achieve
perfection and a weight rule change will have little effect on those who
aspire to compete on a higher level.

	 

		Raise the weight limit in pattern while leaving
unlimited displacement and the 2x2m box, and the 2x2m monoplane will no
longer be the most competive design - the most competitive design will
be a purpose designed pattern bipe that will be substantially more
expensive (money, time, maintenance) than the current day designs.

		 

		If you don't think a purpose design pattern bipe would
be the best, ask Chip.  He will tell you without reservation he would
not have flown his Double Visions in the past few years if he did not
think it was the best plane.

		Yes, but you also need to consider the level of
competition and his goals. Lets face it Chip is playing to the world in
an arena composed of professionals making him a member of an exclusive
group that for the most part excludes the rank and file of pattern. Here
again I believe AMA pattern should be structured to attract all of the
rank and file while affording those who aspire to greatness the
opportunity to compete on a higher level without effecting or excluding
those who make up the core of the pattern community or those who
interested in joining it 

	Buddy

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