Weight limit discussion

[Ed Miller]

In my case Bob, that is exactly what I did. I blatantly copied Dave Lockhart's Elan and setup and was very successful with it in Advanced. I then again copied Dave's EMC and my hope is over time I will enjoy some success with it in Master's. Frankly, he is a far better pilot than I'll ever be and gets his planes setup as perfect as you can expect. He did all the work on setup discovery with his EMC's so I can concentrate on the thumb twiddling part with a properly setup plane by copying his work. Works for me !!!
Ed M.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Pastorello 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: Weight limit discussion


  Mark - I'm surprised you would actually ask that.  Most of us that have been around for awhile know absolutely that the game is a game of "followership", where masses of people spend tons of money to duplicate the "hot setups" of the big dogs in their own personal quest for glory.

  Perhaps limiting the equipment that the big dogs can use will help get things back into control?

  Bob Pastorello
  NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
  rcaerobob at cox.net
  www.rcaerobats.net


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Atwood, Mark 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:16 AM
    Subject: RE: Weight limit discussion


    So Buddy.I HAVE to ask again. If the "Average" competitor that you're referring to ISN"T following in Chip's/Jason's/Sean's (and of course our beloved Dave L's) footsteps.then why aren't they flying any of the competitive, well under 11lbs airframes that exist today???   USA Star's, El Nino's, Desires, Arch Nem, SL-1, and on and on.  

     

    Dave's argument is simply that the ONLY reason people are struggling with 11lbs.is because they're trying to build the same giant body ships that the top guys fly.  That will STILL be the case..except if you give them another lb to work with.those top guys will just build that much bigger of a ship that people will still want.and still can't build to make weight.

     

    So my question is simply.why aren't people flying the lighter designed 2M airframes?

     

    -Mark

     

     

     


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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of BUDDYonRC at aol.com
    Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:01 AM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Weight limit discussion

     

    Dave 

    In answer to the following parts of your post (had to split it up to big for the list to handle)

     

    Raise the weight limit in pattern, and the 2x2m monoplane will get bigger and more costly (and the most competitive examples will still probably be under 11 lbs, but the "average" plane won't be).

    So far this is my point exactly. If we are to make AMA pattern an inclusive event we in my opinion must include the average competitor. Those who have higher aspirations will do what they must to achieve perfection and a weight rule change will have little effect on those who aspire to compete on a higher level.

     

      Raise the weight limit in pattern while leaving unlimited displacement and the 2x2m box, and the 2x2m monoplane will no longer be the most competive design - the most competitive design will be a purpose designed pattern bipe that will be substantially more expensive (money, time, maintenance) than the current day designs.

       

      If you don't think a purpose design pattern bipe would be the best, ask Chip.  He will tell you without reservation he would not have flown his Double Visions in the past few years if he did not think it was the best plane.

      Yes, but you also need to consider the level of competition and his goals. Lets face it Chip is playing to the world in an arena composed of professionals making him a member of an exclusive group that for the most part excludes the rank and file of pattern. Here again I believe AMA pattern should be structured to attract all of the rank and file while affording those who aspire to greatness the opportunity to compete on a higher level without effecting or excluding those who make up the core of the pattern community or those who interested in joining it 

    Buddy
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