FAI Weight Thread

[Ed Miller]

5.5Kg or by my calculations 12 pounds 1+ ounce is fine for glow with fuel and electric with batteries. If that levels the playing field, if it needs leveling, those are numbers I can live with. In fact at 12 pounds, a conventional glass/foam/balsa/ply large 2 meter plane ( like the EMC ) can be built with electric power and make weight. But I wonder do we really need to mess with the weight issue ?? There was a time I was all for raising the 5Kg limit, not so anymore. Although the prospect of building an E power EMC is enticing. The real issue is do we ( USA AMA ) continue to follow FAI should they adopt an absurd rule that obsoletes all our toys overnight ??? I hope not. 
Ed M.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dean Pappas 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 5:12 PM
  Subject: RE: FAI Weight Thread


  Hi Ed,
  OK, so you agree.  5.5 Kg should be fine, no?

  Dean Pappas 
  Sr. Design Engineer 
  Kodeos Communications 
  111 Corporate Blvd. 
  South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
  (908) 222-7817 phone 
  (908) 222-2392 fax 
  d.pappas at kodeos.com 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Miller
    Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:39 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: FAI Weight Thread


    5Kg including fuel for glow planes will eliminate 2 of the 3 pattern ships now I have, including my newest 2M ship as I doubt I can fly the Master's schedule on 7 ounces of fuel. Should it happen I guess I'll just sport fly my planes and another NSRCA member and pattern flyer will be lost. I suspect over 90% of existing glow ships would now be technically illegal. If we keep screwing with rules that outdate or make planes overnight illegal, pattern will be a very, very small crowd in a very short time. I certainly don't care for the thought that my substantial $$ and time investment could be wiped out by a rule that accomplishes what ??? 
    Ed M. 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Dean Pappas 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:27 AM
      Subject: RE: FAI Weight Thread


      Hi Bob,
      Generally, the desireability of a quieter event is recognized. E-power suffers from a definition problem: we weigh without fuel, but with batteries. A change to "ready for takeoff" will even the playing field ... maybe even tilt it E-ward. Do you kake the present day ships pass a 5 Kg standard with fuel, or do you give everyone an additonal 1/2 Kg for fuel and or battery.

      While my druthers would be to make everyone meet 5Kg wet/batteried, I suspect that there would be resistance to making existing legal airplanes suddenly illegal. That's where 5.5 Kg might come from. A total removal of the weight limit is exceedingly unlikely. Has anyone spoken to Chris Lakin or Ron Chidgey, lately?

      Regards to All,
              Dean

      Dean Pappas 
      Sr. Design Engineer 
      Kodeos Communications 
      111 Corporate Blvd. 
      South Plainfield, N.J. 07080 
      (908) 222-7817 phone 
      (908) 222-2392 fax 
      d.pappas at kodeos.com 

        -----Original Message-----
        From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Pastorello
        Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:07 PM
        To: NSRCA
        Subject: FAI Weight Thread


        Over on RCU - apparently some Europeans are under the impression that the FAI will consider a proposal to either remove the weight limit, or significantly raise it.

        Anybody know what's up with that?

        Bob Pastorello
        NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
        rcaerobob at cox.net
        www.rcaerobats.net

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