[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"

Lamar Blair l.blair at worldnet.att.net
Wed Feb 9 17:34:49 AKST 2005 

Send all these names to me Eric. :-) I have lots of job opening.


Lamar Blair


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"


> And another candidate...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>
>
> > Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You
> > need to purchase Adobe Acrobat (not just download the
> > reader). Acrobat can index all of the PDFs in a directory
> > and you can then search all the text in all of the
> > K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less if
> > discounted) for Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone
> > is willing to collect all of the K-Factors, index them and
> > put them on a CD with the indexes, you have a great
> > resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Adobe,
> > but I have used Acrobat to do this.
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
> >  "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
> >>
> >>I first went down this track when trying to figure out
> >>how to make a judge-training DVD. The ability to go to
> >>any "video" section at any time is awesome when you think
> >>about training people. Needs some cash injected into that
> >>project to make it fly...
> >>
> >>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the
> >>viewer to browse and go to what catches their attention.
> >>
> >>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one
> >>day....sigh!
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Eric.
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
> >><phelps15 at comcast.net>
> >>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
> >>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
> >>sports!"
> >>
> >>
> >>> Evan:
> >>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo
> >>>DVD is something
> >>> that NSRCA would give away!
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
> >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
> >>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
> >>>>available.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
> >>>>  "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>Eric:
> >>>>>Well said!  Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
> >>>>>comprehensive look at our sport?  This could include
> >>>>>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper
> >>>>>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
> >>>>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment.  How
> >>>>>did they get started?  Why are they so into it??  The
> >>>>>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to
> >>>>>try and do something on paper/brochure...
> >>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
> >>>>>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport
> >>>>>flyer has in their equipment.  I won't be convinced that
> >>>>>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
> >>>>>planes.....  This, too, could easily be addressed by
> >>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
> >>>>>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD.....  People
> >>>>>that would consider getting into pattern need to see
> >>>>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful.
> >>>>>They need to be introduced to the average pattern
> >>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
> >>>>>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves
> >>>>>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
> >>>>>Venting complete!
> >>>>>Pritch
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
> >>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
> >>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
> >>>>>>seem that way,
> >>>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big
> >>>>>>problem is
> >>>>>> "attraction".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
> >>>>>>the ages of the
> >>>>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
> >>>>>>age group is
> >>>>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
> >>>>>>weight etc.
> >>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or
> >>>>>>not. If you
> >>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge,
> >>>>>>and go fly. You
> >>>>>> have no history so are not that concerned. There are
> >>>>>>much brighter
> >>>>>> lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
> >>>>>>thrill of
> >>>>>> competing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
> >>>>>>of promotional
> >>>>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
> >>>>>>to promote our
> >>>>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more.
> >>>>>>No video to do
> >>>>>> a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
> >>>>>>at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
> >>>>>>rule was used
> >>>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use
> >>>>>>out there at the
> >>>>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running
> >>>>>>in continuous
> >>>>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
> >>>>>>up to the
> >>>>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
> >>>>>>points of light
> >>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not
> >>>>>>a concerted
> >>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
> >>>>>>real
> >>>>>> activities for growth.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
> >>>>>>is "PROMOTE or
> >>>>>> PERISH!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Eric.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> >>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
> >>>>>>>turned some
> >>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
> >>>>>>>once did...
> >>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  del
> >>>>>>>    nsrca  473
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> >>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nat,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
> >>>>>>>>and what took
> >>>>>>>> top
> >>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
> >>>>>>>>then $600.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> WG
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
> >>>>>>>>>airplane and
> >>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > Tom how so?  If there are available engines that
> >>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
> >>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
> >>>>>>>>>in intial
> >>>>>>>> purchase
> >>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
> >>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
> >>>>>>>>> > the
> >>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
> >>>>>>>>>of production
> >>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
> >>>>>>>>>would make more
> >>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
> >>>>>>>>>back or at
> >>>>>>>>> > least
> >>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone.  With the
> >>>>>>>>>unlimited
> >>>>>>>>> >> engines a
> >>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
> >>>>>>>>>more expenseive
> >>>>>>>>> >> airplanes.  That will amount to fewer flyers.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> >>     *From:* Gray E Fowler
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
> >>>>>>>>> >>     *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
> >>>>>>>>>would not be too
> >>>>>>>>> >>     smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
> >>>>>>>>>be.  But, lets
> >>>>>>>>> >>     pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
> >>>>>>>>>lets see.....
> >>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
> >>>>>>>>>flying his best
> >>>>>>>>> >>     airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
> >>>>>>>>>(and I do not
> >>>>>>>>> >>     mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
> >>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
> >>>>>>>>> >>     being held by  a guy named "Chuck")  and so
> >>>>>>>>>moving up to
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
> >>>>>>>>>3 contests were
> >>>>>>>>> >>     quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
> >>>>>>>>> >>     In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
> >>>>>>>>>his wife happy
> >>>>>>>>> >> and
> >>>>>>>>> >>     gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
> >>>>>>>>>who has a
> >>>>>>>>> >> slight
> >>>>>>>>> >>     heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
> >>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
> >>>>>>>>> >>     good and pumped up and I would place money that
> >>>>>>>>>this theoretical
> >>>>>>>>> >>     person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
> >>>>>>>>>over
> >>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
> >>>>>>>>> >>     one more !
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
> >>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
> >>>>>>>>> >> will
> >>>>>>>>> >>     not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
> >>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
> >>>>>>>>> >>     more on another plane.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     The story you have just read is about to be true,
> >>>>>>>>>once we do not
> >>>>>>>>> >>     let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
> >>>>>>>>>the French FAI
> >>>>>>>>> >> rule
> >>>>>>>>> >>     makers are happy.
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>     Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
> >>>>>>>>>across the
> >>>>>>>>> >> board
> >>>>>>>>> >>     and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
> >>>>>>>>>needs to align
> >>>>>>>>> >> with
> >>>>>>>>> >>     FAI.  Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
> >>>>>>>>>REACHES
> >>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
> >>>>>>>>> >>     the French can be happy then*.*
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
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