[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
Grow Pattern
pattern4u at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 14:20:29 AKST 2005
And another candidate...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
> Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You
> need to purchase Adobe Acrobat (not just download the
> reader). Acrobat can index all of the PDFs in a directory
> and you can then search all the text in all of the
> K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less if
> discounted) for Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone
> is willing to collect all of the K-Factors, index them and
> put them on a CD with the indexes, you have a great
> resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Adobe,
> but I have used Acrobat to do this.
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
> "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>
>>I first went down this track when trying to figure out
>>how to make a judge-training DVD. The ability to go to
>>any "video" section at any time is awesome when you think
>>about training people. Needs some cash injected into that
>>project to make it fly...
>>
>>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the
>>viewer to browse and go to what catches their attention.
>>
>>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one
>>day....sigh!
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Eric.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett"
>><phelps15 at comcast.net>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow
>>sports!"
>>
>>
>>> Evan:
>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo
>>>DVD is something
>>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became
>>>>available.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>> "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>Eric:
>>>>>Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a
>>>>>comprehensive look at our sport? This could include
>>>>>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper
>>>>>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
>>>>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How
>>>>>did they get started? Why are they so into it?? The
>>>>>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to
>>>>>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that
>>>>>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport
>>>>>flyer has in their equipment. I won't be convinced that
>>>>>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
>>>>>planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by
>>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for
>>>>>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD..... People
>>>>>that would consider getting into pattern need to see
>>>>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful.
>>>>>They need to be introduced to the average pattern
>>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and
>>>>>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves
>>>>>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>>Pritch
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern"
>>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may
>>>>>>seem that way,
>>>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big
>>>>>>problem is
>>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and
>>>>>>the ages of the
>>>>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining
>>>>>>age group is
>>>>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size,
>>>>>>weight etc.
>>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or
>>>>>>not. If you
>>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge,
>>>>>>and go fly. You
>>>>>> have no history so are not that concerned. There are
>>>>>>much brighter
>>>>>> lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the
>>>>>>thrill of
>>>>>> competing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack
>>>>>>of promotional
>>>>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use
>>>>>>to promote our
>>>>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more.
>>>>>>No video to do
>>>>>> a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth
>>>>>>at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a
>>>>>>rule was used
>>>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use
>>>>>>out there at the
>>>>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running
>>>>>>in continuous
>>>>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake
>>>>>>up to the
>>>>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual
>>>>>>points of light
>>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not
>>>>>>a concerted
>>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some
>>>>>>real
>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it
>>>>>>is "PROMOTE or
>>>>>> PERISH!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also
>>>>>>>turned some
>>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as
>>>>>>>once did...
>>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> del
>>>>>>> nsrca 473
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats
>>>>>>>>and what took
>>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less
>>>>>>>>then $600.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the
>>>>>>>>>airplane and
>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the
>>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>be. But, lets
>>>>>>>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so
>>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> >> one more !
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>> >> more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>> >> makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
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