[SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"

Grow Pattern pattern4u at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 14:20:29 AKST 2005


And another candidate...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"


> Actually, you can do this now with the K-Factor PDFs. You 
> need to purchase Adobe Acrobat (not just download the 
> reader). Acrobat can index all of the PDFs in a directory 
> and you can then search all the text in all of the 
> K-Factors. The only problem is that it costs $449 (less if 
> discounted) for Acrobat Professional. Of course if someone 
> is willing to collect all of the K-Factors, index them and 
> put them on a CD with the indexes, you have a great 
> resource. Disclaimer: I have no relationship with Adobe, 
> but I have used Acrobat to do this.
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:57:20 -0500
>  "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net> wrote:
>>I rather like the navigation capabilities of DVD's.
>>
>>I first went down this track when trying to figure out 
>>how to make a judge-training DVD. The ability to go to 
>>any "video" section at any time is awesome when you think 
>>about training people. Needs some cash injected into that 
>>project to make it fly...
>>
>>Promotional DVD's have the advantage of allowing the 
>>viewer to browse and go to what catches their attention.
>>
>>I dream of a K-Factor CD that can do this one 
>>day....sigh!
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Eric.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pritchett" 
>><phelps15 at comcast.net>
>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:18 PM
>>Subject: [SPAM] Re: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow 
>>sports!"
>>
>>
>>> Evan:
>>> Thanks for saying that, but my thought is that a promo 
>>>DVD is something 
>>> that NSRCA would give away!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Evan H. Dygert" <evand at dygertconsulting.com>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:41 PM
>>> Subject: Pattern DVD was "Re: Rules don't grow sports!"
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am a beginner and would buy this as soon as it became 
>>>>available.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:23:05 -0500
>>>>  "Bill Pritchett" <phelps15 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>Eric:
>>>>>Well said!  Why don't we put together a DVD that is a 
>>>>>comprehensive look at our sport?  This could include 
>>>>>everything a flyer needs to get started, demos of proper 
>>>>>geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national 
>>>>>team...... Demo their personalities and equipment.  How 
>>>>>did they get started?  Why are they so into it??  The 
>>>>>cost of duplication is so minute that it seems silly to 
>>>>>try and do something on paper/brochure...
>>>>>I think the big thing is perception - one item that 
>>>>>hasn't been discussed is the amount of money a sport 
>>>>>flyer has in their equipment.  I won't be convinced that 
>>>>>it's the money - it's the perception of money in our 
>>>>>planes.....  This, too, could easily be addressed by 
>>>>>showing a half-dozen ARF's and how to set them up for 
>>>>>pattern and include demo flights on the DVD.....  People 
>>>>>that would consider getting into pattern need to see 
>>>>>themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful. 
>>>>>They need to be introduced to the average pattern 
>>>>>participant that doesn't have a pair of $3k planes and 
>>>>>puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves 
>>>>>as successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
>>>>>Venting complete!
>>>>>Pritch
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Grow Pattern" 
>>>>><pattern4u at comcast.net>
>>>>>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>>Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may 
>>>>>>seem that way, 
>>>>>> but attrition is normal in any sport. The really big 
>>>>>>problem is 
>>>>>> "attraction".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and 
>>>>>>the ages of the 
>>>>>> folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining 
>>>>>>age group is 
>>>>>> very sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This tree has no soil around its roots.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, 
>>>>>>weight etc. 
>>>>>> has very little to do with whether a new person joins or 
>>>>>>not. If you 
>>>>>> are new, you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, 
>>>>>>and go fly. You 
>>>>>> have no history so are not that concerned. There are 
>>>>>>much brighter 
>>>>>> lights gaining your attention, not least of which is the 
>>>>>>thrill of 
>>>>>> competing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack 
>>>>>>of promotional 
>>>>>> material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use 
>>>>>>to promote our 
>>>>>> sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. 
>>>>>>No video to do 
>>>>>> a "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth 
>>>>>>at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a 
>>>>>>rule was used 
>>>>>> to put your teeth into something that we could all use 
>>>>>>out there at the 
>>>>>> WRAM or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running 
>>>>>>in continuous 
>>>>>> loops, Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake 
>>>>>>up to the 
>>>>>> reality of running the judging tape at your booth....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know and acknowledge that there are some individual 
>>>>>>points of light 
>>>>>> out there where great work has been done, but it is not 
>>>>>>a concerted 
>>>>>> effort or coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some 
>>>>>>real 
>>>>>> activities for growth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it 
>>>>>>is "PROMOTE or 
>>>>>> PERISH!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also 
>>>>>>>turned some 
>>>>>>> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as 
>>>>>>>once did... 
>>>>>>> Leave it alone unless you want to drive more away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  del
>>>>>>>    nsrca  473
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nat,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats 
>>>>>>>>and what took 
>>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less 
>>>>>>>>then $600.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the 
>>>>>>>>>airplane and
>>>>>>>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Southwell" <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Tom how so?  If there are available engines that
>>>>>>>>>actually hold up but
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both
>>>>>>>>>in intial
>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive
>>>>>>>>>airplane. Cost of
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods
>>>>>>>>>of production
>>>>>>>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room
>>>>>>>>>would make more
>>>>>>>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come
>>>>>>>>>back or at
>>>>>>>>> > least
>>>>>>>>> > make the average builder have hope.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone.  With the
>>>>>>>>>unlimited
>>>>>>>>> >> engines a
>>>>>>>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger
>>>>>>>>>more expenseive
>>>>>>>>> >> airplanes.  That will amount to fewer flyers.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >>     *From:* Gray E Fowler
>>>>>>>>><mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>     *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
>>>>>>>>><mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>>>>>>>>> >>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> >>     *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes
>>>>>>>>>would not be too
>>>>>>>>> >>     smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to
>>>>>>>>>be.  But, lets
>>>>>>>>> >>     pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh
>>>>>>>>>lets see.....
>>>>>>>>> >> Chuck.
>>>>>>>>> >>     Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is
>>>>>>>>>flying his best
>>>>>>>>> >>     airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy
>>>>>>>>>(and I do not
>>>>>>>>> >>     mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months
>>>>>>>>>Model Aviation
>>>>>>>>> >>     being held by  a guy named "Chuck")  and so
>>>>>>>>>moving up to
>>>>>>>>> >>     Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last
>>>>>>>>>3 contests were
>>>>>>>>> >>     quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
>>>>>>>>> >>     In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps
>>>>>>>>>his wife happy
>>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>>> >>     gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone
>>>>>>>>>who has a
>>>>>>>>> >> slight
>>>>>>>>> >>     heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this
>>>>>>>>>here Chuck is
>>>>>>>>> >>     good and pumped up and I would place money that
>>>>>>>>>this theoretical
>>>>>>>>> >>     person could place at the NATS, but his plane is
>>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>> >> weight!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> >>     one more !
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a
>>>>>>>>>disadvantage, we
>>>>>>>>> >> will
>>>>>>>>> >>     not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you
>>>>>>>>>can spend $2k
>>>>>>>>> >>     more on another plane.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     The story you have just read is about to be true,
>>>>>>>>>once we do not
>>>>>>>>> >>     let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least
>>>>>>>>>the French FAI
>>>>>>>>> >> rule
>>>>>>>>> >>     makers are happy.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Consider a weight change. It does not need to be
>>>>>>>>>across the
>>>>>>>>> >> board
>>>>>>>>> >>     and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it
>>>>>>>>>needs to align
>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>> >>     FAI.  Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE
>>>>>>>>>REACHES
>>>>>>>>> >> FAI-*and
>>>>>>>>> >>     the French can be happy then*.*
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
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