Rules don't grow sports!
DaveL322 at comcast.net
DaveL322 at comcast.net
Wed Feb 9 06:49:24 AKST 2005
I think it might be very interesting to find/figure out the average cost of planes being flown - not too difficult to put together numbers for the top finishers at the NATs - since the equipment list is published. I'd be willing to figure that out and share the nubmers.
Obtaining the same data for regional groups would be tougher - and subject to all the pitfalls of any survey. Perhaps this is something that could be incorporated with an NSRCA survey? Or, outside of an NSRCA survey, it could be done through polls, websites, etc. Certainly a lot of room for errors/inaccuracies depending on what data set was generated and how it was interpreted / presented.
Regards,
Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net
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> Eric:
> Well said! Why don't we put together a DVD that is a comprehensive look at
> our sport? This could include everything a flyer needs to get started,
> demos of proper geometry, rules overview, and interviews of our national
> team...... Demo their personalities and equipment. How did they get
> started? Why are they so into it?? The cost of duplication is so minute
> that it seems silly to try and do something on paper/brochure...
> I think the big thing is perception - one item that hasn't been discussed is
> the amount of money a sport flyer has in their equipment. I won't be
> convinced that it's the money - it's the perception of money in our
> planes..... This, too, could easily be addressed by showing a half-dozen
> ARF's and how to set them up for pattern and include demo flights on the
> DVD..... People that would consider getting into pattern need to see
> themselves, in their "minds eye", as being successful. They need to be
> introduced to the average pattern participant that doesn't have a pair of
> $3k planes and puts over 500 flights up a season.... to see themselves as
> successful, it must appear immediately accessible.
> Venting complete!
> Pritch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grow Pattern"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:01 AM
> Subject: Rules don't grow sports!
>
>
> > It's not the "driving away" that is the problem. It may seem that way, but
> > attrition is normal in any sport. The really big problem is "attraction".
> >
> > I keep a close eye on the ages of the folks joining and the ages of the
> > folks leaving. the leaving is pretty normal. The joining age group is very
> > sparse in the below 20, and the 20-30 range.
> >
> > This tree has no soil around its roots.....
> >
> > I would submit to you all that what we debate over size, weight etc. has
> > very little to do with whether a new person joins or not. If you are new,
> > you tend to accept the rules as the challenge, and go fly. You have no
> > history so are not that concerned. There are much brighter lights gaining
> > your attention, not least of which is the thrill of competing.
> >
> > What is more critical than any rule is the complete lack of promotional
> > material, lack of tools for our VP's and members to use to promote our
> > sport. You don't even have a handout/brochure any more. No video to do a
> > "show and tell" at a club night. No formula for growth at all.
> >
> > Imagine if all of the effort that we put into debating a rule was used to
> > put your teeth into something that we could all use out there at the WRAM
> > or Toledo show. Imagine flight demo-tapes running in continuous loops,
> > Aresti diagrams hanging from the walls, THEN wake up to the reality of
> > running the judging tape at your booth....
> >
> > I know and acknowledge that there are some individual points of light out
> > there where great work has been done, but it is not a concerted effort or
> > coordinated NSRCA plan, or intent.
> >
> > It really is time to get the NSRCA galvanized in to some real activities
> > for growth.
> >
> > In publishing we say "Publish or perish!. In a sport it is "PROMOTE or
> > PERISH!"
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eric.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Del K. Rykert"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >
> >
> >> Show me the changes in last 20 years that hasn't also turned some
> >> away...? One of the reason not as many participate as once did... Leave
> >> it alone unless you want to drive more away.
> >>
> >> del
> >> nsrca 473
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Wayne Galligan"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>
> >>
> >>> Nat,
> >>>
> >>> Your right... look at the last three years at the Nats and what took top
> >>> honors in the masters class.....an ARF that cost less then $600.
> >>>
> >>> WG
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Nat Penton"
> >>> To:
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:21 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Some of you are over estimating the importance of the airplane and
> >>>> underestimating the potential of the pilot. Nat
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Bill Southwell"
> >>>> To:
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:56 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Tom how so? If there are available engines that actually hold up but
> >>> are
> >>>> > a bit more porky....but also a lot cheaper to own both in intial
> >>> purchase
> >>>> > and in up keep how can it lead to a more expensive airplane. Cost of
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > present designs are due to the materials and mathods of production
> >>>> > required tokeep the weight down. A little more room would make more
> >>>> > pedestrian material like balsa , ply. and foam to come back or at
> >>>> > least
> >>>> > make the average builder have hope.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Tom Shaw wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> You guys need to leave well enough alone. With the unlimited
> >>>> >> engines a
> >>>> >> higher weight limit is just going to ecourage larger more expenseive
> >>>> >> airplanes. That will amount to fewer flyers.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> >> *From:* Gray E Fowler
> >>>> >> *To:* discussion at nsrca.org
> >>>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 08, 2005 4:25 PM
> >>>> >> *Subject:* RE: *SPAM* Re: Rules Survey
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Here comes the dreaded weight debate again....
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Consider this-Anyone in the upper level classes would not be too
> >>>> >> smart to have a plane heavier than it needs to be. But, lets
> >>>> >> pretend there is a hot new Sportsman named uh lets see.....
> >>>> >> Chuck.
> >>>> >> Chuck tears up 401 after 3 contests, and he is flying his best
> >>>> >> airplane that most FAI guys would consider a toy (and I do not
> >>>> >> mean the "foamie toys" pictured in last months Model Aviation
> >>>> >> being held by a guy named "Chuck") and so moving up to
> >>>> >> Intermediate halfway thru his first season, last 3 contests were
> >>>> >> quite a challenge, BUT he places in 402 anyway!
> >>>> >> In the off season, he saves his pennies, keeps his wife happy
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> gets a used REAL pattern plane, built by someone who has a
> >>>> >> slight
> >>>> >> heavy hand, and alas it weighs 11.5 lbs. Now this here Chuck is
> >>>> >> good and pumped up and I would place money that this theoretical
> >>>> >> person could place at the NATS, but his plane is over
> >>>> >> weight!!!!!
> >>>> >> one more !
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Sorry Chuck, even though you are flying at a disadvantage, we
> >>>> >> will
> >>>> >> not let you play at the NATS........Oh unless you can spend $2k
> >>>> >> more on another plane.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The story you have just read is about to be true, once we do not
> >>>> >> let Chuck fly at this years NATS. But at least the French FAI
> >>>> >> rule
> >>>> >> makers are happy.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Consider a weight change. It does not need to be across the
> >>>> >> board
> >>>> >> and for the life of me I cannot imagine why it needs to align
> >>>> >> with
> >>>> >> FAI. Chuck will have a 5Kg plane *BY THE TIME HE REACHES
> >>>> >> FAI-*and
> >>>> >> the French can be happy then*.*
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
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