Composite-ARF Impact question

Ken Blackwell kblackw at adelphia.net
Wed Feb 2 07:37:07 AKST 2005


I took it to mean: If you keep on talking like that, I'll wash your mouth out with lye soap.

Grinning

Ken B
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DaveL322 at comcast.net 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question


  Consider it analagous to a Tim Taylor "har-har-har" growl/grunt/utterance of manly approval.

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    > OK - I'll bite - what's a "Harrumph" in cyber/mail-ease??? 
    > Is it a , or , , .... Which? 
    > 
    > OR is it the "how dare you say such a thing?" 
    > > 
    > > From: 
    > > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 10:52:11 EST 
    > > To: 
    > > Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question 
    > > 
    > > Another Harruummph is in order. 
    > > > 
    > > > From: Bill Southwell 
    > > > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 12:13:03 EST 
    > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    > > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to 
    > > > over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot. 
    > > > There are a few domestic kit makers left, lets support them! 
    > > > 
    > > > Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a 
    > > > marketing coo when he got a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his 
    > > > stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product 
    > > > beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to 
    > > > big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!" You get 
    > > > intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes 
    > > > for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy think he is challenging 
    > > > that system...he would look like "Chicken Little" and just get a letter 
    > > > explaining how wrong he is about his product. 
    > > > 
    > > > Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the 
    > > > pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some 
    > > > interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY 
    > > > bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL 
    > > > Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would 
    > > > say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the 
    > > > "concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight " 
    > > > load of ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find 
    > > > them to be helpful way beyond reasonable. When did customer service, 
    > > > and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when 
    > > > we make our purchasing decisions? Why? 
    > > > 
    > > > OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company 
    > > > can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and 
    > > > discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help 
    > > > our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales. Wait lets go a 
    > > > little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale 
    > > > for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll 
    > > > put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I 
    > > > bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all 
    > > > those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar 
    > > > wise or "pat on the back" wise. 
    > > > 
    > > > Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage 
    > > > industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago. 
    > > > Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward 
    > > > spiral and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after 
    > > > market companies than kit manufactures today. 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going 
    > > > and hope you get your twist worked out. 
    > > > 
    > > > Regards 
    > > > Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell 
    > > > Iuka,MS 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > 
    > > > Ed Miller wrote: 
    > > > 
    > > > > The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more 
    > > > > one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's 
    > > > > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits 
    > > > > manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the 
    > > > > plane of the week mentality. 
    > > > > Ed M. 
    > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" 
    > > > > 
    > > > > To: 
    > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM 
    > > > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question 
    > > > > 
    > > > > 
    > > > >> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was 
    > > > >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality 
    > > > >> pattern kit in the US. Drives me nuts that so many people have been 
    > > > >> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company..... 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >> there...I feel better. 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Black" 
    > > > >> To: 
    > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM 
    > > > >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >> 
    > > > >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new 
    > > > >>> Impact. 
    > > > >>> Here's what I see. 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me 
    > > > >>> how to 
    > > > >>> look for this, but I can't see it. 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly 
    > > > >>> straight. 
    > > > >>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy) 
    > > > >>> or if it 
    > > > >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did 
    > > > >>> notice 
    > > > >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly 
    > > > >>> flatter 
    > > > >>> than the other side. Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the 
    > > > >>> fuse on 
    > > > >>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the 
    > > > >>> center 
    > > > >>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements 
    > > > >>> periodically 
    > > > >>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a 
    > > > >>> square). At 
    > > > >>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To 
    > > > >>> double check 
    > > > >>> I then centered the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This 
    > > > >>> resulted in the 
    > > > >>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right. 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but 
    > > > >>> considering 
    > > > >>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly, 
    > > > >>> (and the 
    > > > >>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the 
    > > > >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed 
    > > > >>> to fly 
    > > > >>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the 
    > > > >>> same and 
    > > > >>> he did pretty well with his ;-) 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to 
    > > > >>> building 
    > > > >>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and 
    > > > >>> Gray put 
    > > > >>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well. 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> Keith Black 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell" 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> To: 
    > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM 
    > > > >>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> Hi Adam, 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior. If 
    > > > >>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there 
    > > > >>>> will 
    > > > >>>> be a group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all 
    > > > >>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see 
    > > > >>>> things. It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has 
    > > > >>>> had the 
    > > > >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom 
    > > > >>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in 
    > > > >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the 
    > > > >>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead 
    > > > >>>> straight now! 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual 
    > > > >>>> effect" like that people would be slamming the same for lack of 
    > > > >>>> quality 
    > > > >>>> and ripping the customer off. I have talked to several friends who 
    > > > >>>> have 
    > > > >>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues and 
    > > > >>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case 
    > > > >>>> of " 
    > > > >>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am 
    > > > >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a 
    > > > >>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his 
    > > > >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how. I still think if he added 
    > > > >>>> something 
    > > > >>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to 
    > > > >>>> read...................................................Just basking in 
    > > > >>>> the flames here :>) 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> Regards 
    > > > >>>> Bill " medium to well done" Southwell 
    > > > >>>> Iuka, MS 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote: 
    > > > >>>> 
    > > > >>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing. I thought I was 
    > > > >>>> > nuts. I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue. Here's the reply: 
    > > > >>>> > 
    > > > >>>> > Hello Adam, 
    > > > >>>> > 
    > > > >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly 
    > > > >>>> > straight, 
    > > > >>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours. 
    > > > >>>> > 
    > > > >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this 
    > > > >>>> might 
    > > > >>>> > make 
    > > > >>>> > it appear not straight, possibly. 
    > > > >>>> > 
    > > > >>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the 
    > > > >>>> > fin was 
    > > > >>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing 
    > > > >>>> in > the 
    > > > >>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>> make 
    > > > >>> 
    > > > >>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit 
    > > > >>>> > off, but 
    > > > >>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight. 
    > > > >>>> > 
    > > > >>>> > 
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