Composite-ARF Impact question

rcaerobob at cox.net rcaerobob at cox.net
Wed Feb 2 07:21:55 AKST 2005


OK - I'll bite - what's a "Harrumph" in cyber/mail-ease???
Is it a <cough>, or <sneer>, <snort>, <bs>.... Which?

OR is it the "how dare you say such a thing?"
> 
> From: <tph1 at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2005/02/02 Wed AM 10:52:11 EST
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> 
> Another Harruummph is in order.
> > 
> > From: Bill Southwell <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> > Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 12:13:03 EST
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > 
> > 
> >    Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to 
> > over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot.  
> > There are a few domestic  kit makers left,  lets support them!
> > 
> > Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a 
> > marketing coo when he got  a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his 
> > stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product 
> > beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to 
> > big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!"    You get 
> > intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes 
> > for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy  think he is challenging 
> > that system...he would look like "Chicken Little"  and just get a letter 
> > explaining how wrong he is about his product.
> > 
> >  Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the 
> > pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some 
> > interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY 
> > bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL 
> > Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would 
> > say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the 
> > "concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight " 
> > load of  ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find 
> > them to be helpful way beyond reasonable.  When did customer service, 
> > and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when 
> > we make our purchasing decisions? Why? 
> > 
> >  OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company 
> > can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and 
> > discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help 
> > our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales.  Wait lets go a 
> > little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale 
> > for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll 
> > put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I 
> > bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all 
> > those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar 
> > wise or "pat on the back" wise.
> > 
> > Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage 
> > industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago. 
> > Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward 
> > spiral and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after 
> > market companies than kit manufactures today.
> > 
> > 
> > I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going 
> > and hope you get your twist worked out.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell
> > Iuka,MS
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ed Miller wrote:
> > 
> > > The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more 
> > > one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's 
> > > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits 
> > > manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the 
> > > plane of the week mentality.
> > > Ed M.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" 
> > > <flyintexan at houston.rr.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >
> > >
> > >> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was 
> > >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality 
> > >> pattern kit in the US.  Drives me nuts that so many people have been 
> > >> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company.....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> there...I feel better.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> > >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new 
> > >>> Impact.
> > >>> Here's what I see.
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me 
> > >>> how to
> > >>> look for this, but I can't see it.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly 
> > >>> straight.
> > >>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy) 
> > >>> or if it
> > >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did 
> > >>> notice
> > >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly 
> > >>> flatter
> > >>> than the other side.  Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the 
> > >>> fuse on
> > >>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the 
> > >>> center
> > >>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements 
> > >>> periodically
> > >>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a 
> > >>> square). At
> > >>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To 
> > >>> double check
> > >>> I then centered the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This 
> > >>> resulted in the
> > >>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right.
> > >>>
> > >>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but 
> > >>> considering
> > >>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly, 
> > >>> (and the
> > >>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the
> > >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed 
> > >>> to fly
> > >>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the 
> > >>> same and
> > >>> he did pretty well with his ;-)
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to 
> > >>> building
> > >>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and 
> > >>> Gray put
> > >>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Keith Black
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell" 
> > >>> <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> > >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Hi Adam,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior. If
> > >>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there 
> > >>>> will
> > >>>> be a  group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all
> > >>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see
> > >>>> things.  It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has 
> > >>>> had the
> > >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom
> > >>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in
> > >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the
> > >>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead
> > >>>> straight now!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>    If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual
> > >>>> effect"  like that people would be slamming the same for lack of 
> > >>>> quality
> > >>>> and ripping the customer off.  I have talked to several friends who 
> > >>>> have
> > >>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues  and
> > >>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case 
> > >>>> of "
> > >>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am
> > >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a
> > >>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his
> > >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how.  I still think if he added 
> > >>>> something
> > >>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to
> > >>>> read...................................................Just basking in
> > >>>> the flames here :>)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>> Bill   " medium to well done" Southwell
> > >>>> Iuka, MS
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing.  I thought I was
> > >>>> > nuts.  I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue.  Here's the reply:
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Hello Adam,
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly
> > >>>> > straight,
> > >>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this 
> > >>>> might
> > >>>> > make
> > >>>> > it appear not straight, possibly.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the
> > >>>> > fin was
> > >>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing 
> > >>>> in > the
> > >>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to
> > >>>
> > >>> make
> > >>>
> > >>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit
> > >>>> > off, but
> > >>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
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