Composite-ARF Impact question

tph1 at bellsouth.net tph1 at bellsouth.net
Wed Feb 2 06:52:32 AKST 2005 

Another Harruummph is in order.
> 
> From: Bill Southwell <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2005/02/02 Wed PM 12:13:03 EST
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> 
> 
>    Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to 
> over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot.  
> There are a few domestic  kit makers left,  lets support them!
> 
> Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a 
> marketing coo when he got  a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his 
> stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product 
> beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to 
> big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!"    You get 
> intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes 
> for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy  think he is challenging 
> that system...he would look like "Chicken Little"  and just get a letter 
> explaining how wrong he is about his product.
> 
>  Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the 
> pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some 
> interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY 
> bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL 
> Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would 
> say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the 
> "concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight " 
> load of  ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find 
> them to be helpful way beyond reasonable.  When did customer service, 
> and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when 
> we make our purchasing decisions? Why? 
> 
>  OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company 
> can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and 
> discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help 
> our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales.  Wait lets go a 
> little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale 
> for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll 
> put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I 
> bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all 
> those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar 
> wise or "pat on the back" wise.
> 
> Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage 
> industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago. 
> Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward 
> spiral and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after 
> market companies than kit manufactures today.
> 
> 
> I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going 
> and hope you get your twist worked out.
> 
> Regards
> Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell
> Iuka,MS
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Miller wrote:
> 
> > The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more 
> > one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's 
> > deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits 
> > manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the 
> > plane of the week mentality.
> > Ed M.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" 
> > <flyintexan at houston.rr.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> >
> >
> >> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was 
> >> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality 
> >> pattern kit in the US.  Drives me nuts that so many people have been 
> >> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company.....
> >>
> >>
> >> there...I feel better.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> >> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> >>
> >>
> >>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new 
> >>> Impact.
> >>> Here's what I see.
> >>>
> >>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me 
> >>> how to
> >>> look for this, but I can't see it.
> >>>
> >>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly 
> >>> straight.
> >>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy) 
> >>> or if it
> >>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did 
> >>> notice
> >>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly 
> >>> flatter
> >>> than the other side.  Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the 
> >>> fuse on
> >>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the 
> >>> center
> >>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements 
> >>> periodically
> >>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a 
> >>> square). At
> >>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To 
> >>> double check
> >>> I then centered the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This 
> >>> resulted in the
> >>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right.
> >>>
> >>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but 
> >>> considering
> >>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly, 
> >>> (and the
> >>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the
> >>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed 
> >>> to fly
> >>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the 
> >>> same and
> >>> he did pretty well with his ;-)
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to 
> >>> building
> >>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and 
> >>> Gray put
> >>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well.
> >>>
> >>> Keith Black
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell" 
> >>> <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
> >>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>    Hi Adam,
> >>>>
> >>>>    Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior. If
> >>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there 
> >>>> will
> >>>> be a  group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all
> >>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see
> >>>> things.  It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has 
> >>>> had the
> >>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom
> >>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in
> >>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the
> >>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead
> >>>> straight now!
> >>>>
> >>>>    If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual
> >>>> effect"  like that people would be slamming the same for lack of 
> >>>> quality
> >>>> and ripping the customer off.  I have talked to several friends who 
> >>>> have
> >>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues  and
> >>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case 
> >>>> of "
> >>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am
> >>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a
> >>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his
> >>>> reply...well at the bottom any how.  I still think if he added 
> >>>> something
> >>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to
> >>>> read...................................................Just basking in
> >>>> the flames here :>)
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Bill   " medium to well done" Southwell
> >>>> Iuka, MS
> >>>>
> >>>> Adam Quennoz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing.  I thought I was
> >>>> > nuts.  I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue.  Here's the reply:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Hello Adam,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly
> >>>> > straight,
> >>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this 
> >>>> might
> >>>> > make
> >>>> > it appear not straight, possibly.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the
> >>>> > fin was
> >>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing 
> >>>> in > the
> >>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to
> >>>
> >>> make
> >>>
> >>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit
> >>>> > off, but
> >>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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