Composite-ARF Impact question
Bill Southwell
bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net
Wed Feb 2 06:13:26 AKST 2005
Ed I think you hit the nail on the head. It is hard on ones ego to
over pay for a product and then find there are imperfections to boot.
There are a few domestic kit makers left, lets support them!
Mark thats exactly what I have been mad as he## about. Geitz made a
marketing coo when he got a lot of big name folks to sell and fly his
stuff as "REP'S". Now they have financial stake to protect the product
beyond a simple sponsorship. I can't see a little fellow walking up to
big Andy Kane and telling him "that's a piece of crap!" You get
intimidated by "star quality" reps and no lack of them. Brilliant! makes
for a bunch of sheeple. Who does a little guy think he is challenging
that system...he would look like "Chicken Little" and just get a letter
explaining how wrong he is about his product.
Lets support all those folks that are left in the states and get the
pipe line going again. Heck maybe a few might sprout up if we show some
interest$$ Look at last years Symphony, Panacea, and the Titan. EVERY
bit as good and priced a heck of a lot better than CompARF,ZN Line or PL
Products. Time to be rid of the Chevy vs BMW mentality. I for one would
say the customer support at Aeroslave and PAC way out shines the
"concubines" and the " it's twisted but all 350 fly perfect straight "
load of ahh... fertilizer. I have delt with the two companies and find
them to be helpful way beyond reasonable. When did customer service,
and believing in the people you are dealing with go out the window when
we make our purchasing decisions? Why?
OK lets have a little bit of feed back from the " no American company
can match the quality of the European manufactures" supporters and
discuss this issue. Might be interesting....................Might help
our Cottage industry get a little wind in there sales. Wait lets go a
little further and start a Good guys list if you received a good vale
for your$$ or a great experience from the supplier service wise. I'll
put my keyboard were my mouth is and start the thread her in a minute. I
bet the feed back might be a breath of fresh air on the list and for all
those brave souls who try to make our toys for very little reward dollar
wise or "pat on the back" wise.
Plastic scale modeling has been made far, far better due to cottage
industries. That hobby was on a bad decline not too many years ago.
Cottage industries made far better models possible and broke a downward
spiral and turned it around for scale enthusiast. There are more after
market companies than kit manufactures today.
I would also like to say thanks to Adam for getting this thread going
and hope you get your twist worked out.
Regards
Bill " now heaping on the coal" Southwell
Iuka,MS
Ed Miller wrote:
> The American kit manufacturers haven't learned the secret. The more
> one pays for an item, the harder one will defend it and overlook it's
> deficiencies. We had an abundance of American cottage industry kits
> manufacturers AND designers, we drove them out of business with the
> plane of the week mentality.
> Ed M.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt"
> <flyintexan at houston.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
>
>
>> I'm gonna say it.....just can't hold back.....if an Aires fuse was
>> like this we'd be hearing all about how hard it is to find a quality
>> pattern kit in the US. Drives me nuts that so many people have been
>> fixing this without so much as one bad word about this company.....
>>
>>
>> there...I feel better.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
>>
>>
>>> OK guys, all this talk has gotten me to take another look at my new
>>> Impact.
>>> Here's what I see.
>>>
>>> 1) I cannot detect any twist in the fin. Perhaps someone can tell me
>>> how to
>>> look for this, but I can't see it.
>>>
>>> 2) If I measure for straightness in the fuse it is not perfectly
>>> straight.
>>> It's hard to tell if the left side is just a little fuller (puffy)
>>> or if it
>>> is bent. Whatever the case, it's not perfectly symmetrical. I did
>>> notice
>>> when mounting the gear that the *inside* of one half was slightly
>>> flatter
>>> than the other side. Specifics of my measurements: I lined up the
>>> fuse on
>>> graph paper and measured for straightness by setting the nose on the
>>> center
>>> line and the tail on the center line. I then took measurements
>>> periodically
>>> along fuse checking the distance from the center line (using a
>>> square). At
>>> the most extreme point the left side is wider by about 1/4". To
>>> double check
>>> I then centered the mid-point of the fuse and the nose. This
>>> resulted in the
>>> rudder being about 1/4" off to the right.
>>>
>>> I know it's preferable to have a perfectly straight fuse, but
>>> considering
>>> the overall size of the fuse, how well I've seen other Impacts fly,
>>> (and the
>>> fact that I already own it), I'm not going to worry about. With all the
>>> right thrust discussions held lately I'm sure I can get it trimmed
>>> to fly
>>> fine. Also, given it's a molded fuse I'm sure that Jason's was the
>>> same and
>>> he did pretty well with his ;-)
>>>
>>> BTW, I did the same measurements on both of my Aries fuses prior to
>>> building
>>> and they were extremely straight. Knowing all the work Lance and
>>> Gray put
>>> into the Symphony I'm sure it's dead on as well.
>>>
>>> Keith Black
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Southwell"
>>> <bnbsouthwell at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Composite-ARF Impact question
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>
>>>> Hey at least no mention of concubines or other strange behavior. If
>>>> all of you are having a vision problem ( mass hallucination) there
>>>> will
>>>> be a group therapy session at the NATS. I hope this will help all
>>>> CompARF customers to get with the program...err ah how not to see
>>>> things. It is funny its no manufacturing error but everyone has
>>>> had the
>>>> same issue. I bet the fellow who crates the fuselages gets a broom
>>>> tomorrow to work with. You have to be in awe of his consistency in
>>>> applying pressure to each fuse. Thank goodness he studied the
>>>> aerodynamics of the thing...he must be a genius as all 350 fly dead
>>>> straight now!
>>>>
>>>> If a manufacture in the states created a ahhh a well...... "visual
>>>> effect" like that people would be slamming the same for lack of
>>>> quality
>>>> and ripping the customer off. I have talked to several friends who
>>>> have
>>>> the gassser CompARF planes and they have reported quality issues and
>>>> felt that for the money it could have been better. guess its a case
>>>> of "
>>>> international tolerance and good will" at work here ( Geez now I am
>>>> sounding like Mike Savage). I say don't be intimidated and demand a
>>>> refund for the banana. He gives you all your ammunition in his
>>>> reply...well at the bottom any how. I still think if he added
>>>> something
>>>> with concubines and court it would be more interesting to
>>>> read...................................................Just basking in
>>>> the flames here :>)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Bill " medium to well done" Southwell
>>>> Iuka, MS
>>>>
>>>> Adam Quennoz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I'm glad to see others are seeing the same thing. I thought I was
>>>> > nuts. I e-mailed Composite-ARF about this issue. Here's the reply:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello Adam,
>>>> >
>>>> > since 350 Impacts come from the same molds, and all fly perfectly
>>>> > straight,
>>>> > there is no manufacturing error in yours.
>>>> >
>>>> > The center line (seam line) is a little bit out of center, this
>>>> might
>>>> > make
>>>> > it appear not straight, possibly.
>>>> >
>>>> > If the fuselage got pressure during shipping / storing, so that the
>>>> > fin was
>>>> > slightly twisted in the box, this can be easily fixed when gluing
>>>> in > the
>>>> > rear hinge post. But actually, I do not think that you would have to
>>>
>>> make
>>>
>>>> > any corrections, as I know that the fin appears to be a little bit
>>>> > off, but
>>>> > it doesn't. the planes fly dead straight.
>>>> >
>>>> >
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