Need more judges.

[Grow Pattern]

Another data point that you all might like to know is that in all of the rounds, in all of the classes including finals. ALL of eth judges scores were used to compute the standings.

As regards having plenty of judges. We do not. To have three per line we need 36 per day. Multiply that by three and that's 108. That works out to more chairs to fill than we have pilots.

I am recruiting full-time judges for next year. If you would like to get on the roster please e-mail me and also tell anyone that you know as well.

Regards,

Eric.



----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Scoring formula


  In a message dated 7/29/2005 6:48:47 PM Central Daylight Time, cjm767driver at hotmail.com writes:
    I agree 100% with Verne.  In fact, I would absolutely agree to judge 2 days at the NATS instead of the 1 day if that meant we would have a 5 judge panel for all rounds in all classes.  As it is, one judge CAN affect and change the outcome of the contest.  This should never be the case.  The guys flying advanced this yr need only look at what happened in round 5 to see that one judge can change the contest.  If we are going to Muncie to just have a contest, then leave it at 3 judges, but if we really want to make sure that we have accurately and fairly chosen, then we need 5 with the high and low dropped per maneuver.

    Chris

    Verne Koester wrote: 
      Eric,
      I doubt that it's in the AMA rules. It's just the way it's always been done. Otherwise, there's no need to bother using 5 judges.  I think it's probably in the FAI rules somewhere, but I suspect that's for World Championships which wouldn't apply here. However, we've always used 5 for them as well and dropped the high and low, and again, if we don't, why bother using 5 judges. You can use 2 or 3 or 5 or 7 and one cheater (or bad judge if you choose) can tip the scales in any direction they choose, whether to make sure someone wins or someone loses.

      My purpose in pointing this out is to prevent it from happening in the future. I think it would be a huge mistake to do anything that changes the posted results from this Nats. The outcry could only damage our credibility and attendance at future Nats would suffer. There'd be sour grapes from those who got moved down as well as from those who moved up.

      On the other hand, there was a lot of buzzing going on amongst the Masters competitors all through the Nats about the scores one particular pilot was getting. I wasn't made aware of it until Tuesday and then I started paying attention as well. Most thought the guy wasn't flying well enough to make the Finals but everyone knew he would with the scores he was getting. Most figured the system (dropping the hi/low) would finally do him in during the Finals and he'd probably finish last in that group. You know the rest and his caller's scores put him very near the top since they weren't dropped.

      I think I speak for everyone when I say we only want a fair shake and the closest we can get to that is the traditional method of dropping the hi and low with 5 judges. Take that away, and I don't see much sense in going through all the time and expense it takes to be competitive in that arena. Having said all that, I still emphasize what a mistake it would be to change the posted results from this year. We just need to make sure it doesn't happen again.

      vk
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Grow Pattern 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:02 PM
        Subject: Scoring formula


        Verne,
                    I could write the following and say it as an answer to almost everything I had to get working this year. "Nothing is written down", [It will not be like that next year believe me!]

        It may be somewhere, but I find myself asking for help to find it..

        In this case the "it" is, where can I find the rules on five panel judging or larger panels for AMA contests? Dave G. is looking for the FAI rules.

        If you know "where" for either please point me. Spent a fruitless day chasing this ghost.

        My plan BTW, is to re-crunch the numbers with high and low scores dropped per maneuver because that is what was done last year.  May have to update Gene's program as well.

        Regards,

        Eric.
  I will second that.
  Buddy
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