The 403 class judges at the 2005 Nationals.

[Grow Pattern]

The discussion on how good the judging was in 403 this year made me take a look at the roster that we used. There were a few substitutions but a couple significant facts did not change.

1. Dave Guerin put a Masters pilot in each of the two 403 judges line on both Monday and Tuesday.

3. He put three Masters pilots in each of the two 404 judges lines on Wednesday.

Regards,

Eric.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Earl Haury 
  To: Discussion List, NSRCA 
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:26 AM
  Subject: Performance Judging


  Bob

  I tend to agree with you that the judge scoring lower may be (correctly) 
  seeing more defects, especially on complex maneuvers. What I don't know how 
  to handle is the situation where a pretty flawless (not too complex) 
  maneuver is severely hammered by one judge. We've pretty clear metrics in 
  place to define the appropriate downgrades - do some double those? Do they 
  double deduct - 1 / 15 for an error and another 1 / 15 for the correction? 
  Do they deduct a whole point for a 5 degree error? Are they watching the 
  wrong airplane? I don't know the answer, but I've seen enough score sheets 
  to recognize that some judges consistently score errors much lower than 
  their peer group, while scoring (relatively) flawless maneuvers generally 
  high. Maybe they (inappropriately) award points for smoothness, but the 
  consequence isn't "more critical - but consistent ( if outside the rules)", 
  but an inappropriately larger delta score between nearly equal quality 
  flights.

  There may not be a way to legitimately smooth well intentioned, if 
  erroneous, scores when the number of judges is low, and I really do 
  appreciate the efforts of everyone that sits in the judges chair. But what 
  would we do if someone (at -say the Nats) chooses to score all zeros or all 
  tens?

  Earl



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bob Richards" <bob at toprudder.com>
  To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
  Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:35 PM
  Subject: RE: Performance Judging? (back to original discussion)


  > Ed,
  >
  > I tend to put more faith in the lower scores. This is
  > especially true on high difficulty manuevers since
  > there are more opportunity for downgrades.
  >
  > I have, on at least one occasion, given a zero for a
  > maneuver when there were no mandatory zero mistakes
  > made. Just because the maneuver was flown, and may
  > have even been recognizable, doesn't mean that it
  > deserves a non-zero score.
  >
  > The snap "did it stall first" problem is, itself, a
  > judgement call.
  >
  > Bob R.
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