Performance Judging? Trial Balloon

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Has anyone considered that there might be a correlation to skill and ability.

Out of 100 contestants we get a winners in the order of 1st  to 100th.

In the field of judging we may be experiencing the same sliding scale of ability.

Then there is what looks the same but is not. A few years ago for a square loop with 1/2 rolls a friend and I scored 5 each for the same pilot. His 5 deductions and my 5 deductions were not for the same errors. He saw a square loop with unequal lines etc. I saw a square loop with unequal corners and badly position rolls etc. I saw a loop that was not centered and leaning in, He saw up and down lines that were not straight up and down.

If we added the two sets of deductions the pilot would have been SOL. Lots of explanations such as a square can look wider at the top if leaning in. 

The main point is that we only have a few seconds to assess what we saw, evaluate four corners for equal and ascertain which one two three or four were not the same. Similarly for lines, subtract the running errors such as roll positions, roll rates, rolls starting and stopping correctly etc.

As regards spins and snaps - I no longer second guess what I am given. Without a camera to replay the maneuver you can't argue the point.

Eric.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Performance Judging? Trial Balloon


  In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:37:50 PM Central Daylight Time, vanputte at cox.net writes:

    On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:

    > We have heard from a lot of Advanced pilots about the judging on that 
    > line.  I would like some feed back from Masters and FAI on the prelims 
    > judges.  My very limited survey seems to indicated that those lines 
    > had very good judging.  I had a lot of 5s & 6s and some good scores 
    > but overall my scores, in my opinion, were spot on.  I'm only asking 
    > about the prelims.

    I had some weird scores on some flights.  On the first round, my scores 
    had a 94 point raw score spread (one judge was consistently high).  The 
    second round had only a 14.5 point spread (These judge hung together; 
    the worst being an 8.0/6.0/7.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out). 
      The third round had only a 28.5 point spread (this despite a 
    9.5/9.0/6.5 on the 1/2 Outside Loop w/ 2/4 Pt Roll Out).  The fourth 
    round had a zero spread (an elevator half came unhooked from the clevis 
    and I landed before completing the first airborne maneuver)!  The fifth 
    round had a 63 point spread, including a 3.0/8.0/6.0 on the Vertical 
    Square 8.  The sixth round had only a 33.5 point spread, however, it 
    included 6.0/9.0/8.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out, 
    6.5/8.0/8.5 Top Hat w/ 3/4 Roll Up, 1/4 Roll Dn and a 6.0/8.0/6.5 on 
    the 1/2 Sq Loop w/ 1/2 Roll Out.

    I can accept up to 1.5 point spread from three judges on a maneuver, 
    but more than that means somebody screwed up.

    Ron Van Putte



  Ron
  An example in advanced goes like this for my rounds.
  Scores with two or more points different on the same manuver.       high low total dirrerence
  Round-1------9 random not the same judge in each case                               89
  Round-2------2                                                                                           30
  Round-3------6                                                                                           63
  Round-4------3                                                                                           46
  Round-5------5                                                                                           35
  Round-6------3                                                                                           41   
  Round 3 includes 1/2 square with 2 of 4   scores 0---6----7 and a 3-1/2 turn spin that scored 0-0-6-1/2
  Round 1- includes a spin that scored 8-1/2-0-7
  I might add that there were no obvious cases where any judge was scoreing real high or low.
  And in my case I most likely ended up placeing about where I should have give or take plus or minus 5 places.
  Buddy 
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