Judges

[BUDDYonRC at aol.com]

In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:34:23 AM Central Daylight Time,  
pattern4u at comcast.net writes:

Try  looking at this from the view that Dave G. had at the Nat's. If a pilot  
shows up and is certified to judge AMA and/or FAI then Dave has to use  that 
pilot in any class that the schedule allows.

There's no  "scale" of experience or skill level that Dave can  apply.

Regards,

Eric.



----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "Earl Haury" <ehaury at houston.rr.com>
To: "Discussion  List, NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005  10:47 AM
Subject: Judges


> There are two overlapping issues  being discussed. Judge competency and 
> score accounting at the Nats,  this note is about judges and another will 
> address Nats  scoring.
>
> I contend that judge competency is better than it's  ever been. Primarily 
> two things account for that, the NSRCA  certification program and 
> pilot-judges. Our cert program is designed  to ensure that everyone is 
> exposed to the proper judging techniques  and the current rules. Using 
> pilot-judges provides an indication that  the judges are interested in the 
> details of the game. As with  anything, there are some outliers and they 
> need to be addressed -  especially at the Nats.
>
> Could the system be better? You bet!  Unfortunately, the cert program 
> doesn't require (it's suggested)  actual flight scoring and review. Nor is 
> there any ranking of  ability. Nor can we simply base a person's judging 
> talent on the  class they're flying (that works both ways in that a FAI 
> pilot may  not be a competent judge while an Intermediate flier may be). We 
>  really need some sort of ranking process.
>
> We've migrated from  one end of the judge spectrum to the other in that the 
> old USPJA  ranked judges by experience, but didn't quantify skills nor have 
> a  good training program / requirement. (Then there was the overlap into 
>  Scale, with associated judges - but that's another story.) If our cert  
> program would have been integrated into the USPJA we might actually  still 
> have been able to go to a Nats to compete only. This group had  many fine 
> non-pilot judges, and just as now, some who had difficulty.  Most of us 
> believed that things would improve with certified  pilot-judges, and it 
> has. But at a the price of doing it ourselves  while still being subject to 
> errant scores, probably OK to good at  local meets - but really poor at a 
> Nats. Hmmm - "be careful what you  wish for" seems to apply here.
>
> Given our current system  doesn't have the resources to "calibrate" or 
> "rate" everyone with  actual flight judging, things aren't going to change 
> dramatically any  time soon. We'll keep plugging away to try and educate as 
> best we can  and hope that information can be applied during judging 
>  activity.
>
> Earl
>
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Eric
I thought that you and Dave did a great job at this years Nat's and do  
understand the difficult task of trying to satisfy all of the people all of the  
time. From my vantage point, which is very low looking up and fully  
understanding the goal's and recourses available it seems to me and I might be  wrong 
that certain areas were compromised to the possible benefit of  others.
I feel sure that this was not intentional but it did happen. It just seems  
to me that we are giving more weight to the fact that many people only want to  
judge one half day at the Nat;s than we give to try and determine the correct 
 order of finish when deciding the winners.  It may be appropriate to  
increase the recourses available in order to put the Nat's in the proper  
prospective by requiring more help from those who are qualified, if in fact we  can 
identify them and by changing the format to provide equal exposure to all  classes 
which could be done if you have more recourses by adding finals to  
Intermediate and Advanced classes OR by eliminating the finals in  Masters  by 
providing equal exposure  having all  pilots face the same  judges. You called me a 
trouble maker at the Nat's and I don't know  why but I assure you that my 
intentions are to try and help solve problems  not make them. If I am out of line 
just tell me to shut up I am pretty good at  understanding plain English.
Buddy   
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